Ahfs

[rboyle]

I think the AHFS has been helping. The 305 combo did get whacked a few years ago but not the 1983 version so most had to modify their bodies to fall in line with the 1983 Camaro body. No small feat. But totally legit.

If NHRA had qualified fields at all national events (75 entries, 60 Qualified for most races) the AHFS may get triggered more often. Or if some points system for Qualifying were in place.

There is no need though to penalize every combo because of technological advances. Some combos already have been hit due to those changes and other combos didn't make significant gains due to technology advances/rules allowances.

A tenth off every index would just park more cars and with counts down overall I think that is counter productive.

[B Parker]

Originally Posted by rboyle

I think the AHFS has been helping. The 305 combo did get whacked a few years ago but not the 1983 version so most had to modify their bodies to fall in line with the 1983 Camaro body. No small feat. But totally legit.

If NHRA had qualified fields at all national events (75 entries, 60 Qualified for most races) the AHFS may get triggered more often. Or if some points system for Qualifying were in place.

There is no need though to penalize every combo because of technological advances. Some combos already have been hit due to those changes and other combos didn't make significant gains due to technology advances/rules allowances.



A tenth off every index would just park more cars and with counts down overall I think that is counter productive.

The problem with this is that it's not done the same every time. A few years ago the 1973 /350 Corvette went 1.20 under. They also included the 1974 Corvette when they passed out the HP. The front and the rear of those 2 year Corvettes are different. So why didn't the 1983/305 get the HP.

Forgot to mention at the time the 1973
corvette got the HP the 74 also had a different head and intake they had to use. So instead of keeping their HP different they also at that time amended the 74 specs so they could use the same head as the 73. So I guess they expected if you had the 74 with the right heads and intake up to that time you could now throw those away and do another set up. It didn't matter because we know how cheap it is to change heads and intake. BP

[mitch kight]

Fact of Life! He who spends the most money will all was be fast! The AHFS want stop that! AHFS was made for by people who want work on there cars!

[Frank Castros]

Stock Eliminator is a tough neighborhood to live in for those who just want to participate.

Those who make power do so the old fashioned way. They earned it.

Lower the indexes a .10 and not the trigger and let's see who earns it.

[rboyle]

How the he'll does lowering everyone's index a tenth fix anything?
So if you are a fast car that can run -1.30 and you lose a tenth then you are -1.20
Yet a typical -.80 good car is now a -.70 good car and the bump at Indy goes from -.85 to -.75 and number one is -1.20 or so. Maybe it eliminates mineshaft conditions being early and late in the season but it doesn't fix a fast combo being fast it only hurts the slower guys

[B Parker]

Originally Posted by rboyle

How the he'll does lowering everyone's index a tenth fix anything?
So if you are a fast car that can run -1.30 and you lose a tenth then you are -1.20
Yet a typical -.80 good car is now a -.70 good car and the bump at Indy goes from -.85 to -.75 and number one is -1.20 or so. Maybe it eliminates mineshaft conditions being early and late in the season but it doesn't fix a fast combo being fast it only hurts the slower guys

Rich I totally disagree with you all except about the slower cars. Your car is a good combo. In good air it should be able to run 1.20 under or more. If a typical car runs -.85 under and now they run .75 under it doesn't make any difference to them everybody in their class also got the same index change. But for the faster car it gives them some breathing room for the instant 1.20 hit. Several cars at the Atco open went 1.20 and faster. There were several more that could have also including mine. What if that was a Divisional and there were a few heads up with those cars. I would hate to see cars that on kill in good air that are just at that 1.20 point end up getting HP when others in their class are already faster than them. BP

[FED 387]

perhaps making any combination( any car in any class) that has had ANY run of "say 1.20 seconds AND/OR MORE under their current index" in the previous 2 years IRREGARDLESS of if its during qualifying or in eliminations, they will have their index re-adjusted by XX seconds---this will mean ANY AND ALL classes will be subject to the index change--ALL Stock and Super Stock classed cars will be subject to this change--FED 387

[Frank Castros]

Rich,
My points are these;
When was the last time the indexes were lowered?
With the enhancements to the rule book the current indexes are antiquated.
What percentage of Stock Eliminator cars can run a second under or more at will?
What percentage struggle to run .1 - .3 under?
How many races are qualified fields?
Frank

[Frank Castros]

Personally as a fan and no longer a racer I like to see performance and loath when racers de-tune their cars to protect their combinations for what? What are you saving it for? Why are racers making deals to race to 1000 feet during class eliminations?
For old school guys like me it makes me question why you guys do this crap.
Let it fly!