Pontiac 455 hp reduction

[Signman]

[QUOTE=James Perrone;655662.

The aluminum head is only on the Corvette.
When NHRA allowed aftermarket aluminum heads there was a 10 hp penalty
But he gets to run for one year with this combo.

Frank let’s be real Glen didn’t do the aluminum head because it was worse. He just took 40 pounds off the nose of of his car and another 40 pounds of ballast so how is that fair. It’s a superstock GT combo running stock eliminator
This needs to be fixed.
10 HP. For aftermarket heads. And it still isn’t Fair.
Glen started a thread where are all the class races …..I wonder why lol

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Jim
This combo has been legal for for over 20 years. Glenn had it reviewed now it's gone next season. You think he's not taking it in the tookis?

What I stated about my research and advice from very good people is truth, he decided to spend the time & money.
You got a problem protest him and meet in the barn take your stuff apart too.
This head is no where near as good as the 113, it and the 128 are factory heads not aftermarket don't know where bringing up aftermarket heads comes into this. The iron 083 head originated as a corvette head got a problem with it too? Is the 1LE option package no good? Come on man!

Let's talk reality the car was probably the fastest in the country before he bought it. It had the same combination I run and had very good hands in it. When I was the fasted flat top in the country on paper it was probably faster just didn't show it.
The truth of the matter is if a couple of guys understood the AHFS and bothered to pay attention the flat top would still be very good the iron dish motor would be better than the aluminum head.

If the car was built right the weight off the front due to the aluminum heads is really not that big a deal. This talk of weight off the front is really not an issue if you know how to build a car.

Stand by by statement about second under and ladder choices. I was there when you were track champion several years the best I ever did was top 10.

Just beat the guy in the final like you know how to do. This stuff is just BS when winning is the goal.

[James Perrone]

Originally Posted by Signman

Jim
This combo has been legal for for over 20 years. Glenn had it reviewed now it's gone next season. You think he's not taking it in the tookis?

What I stated about my research and advice from very good people is truth, he decided to spend the time & money.
You got a problem protest him and meet in the barn take your stuff apart too.
This head is no where near as good as the 113, it and the 128 are factory heads not aftermarket don't know where bringing up aftermarket heads comes into this. The iron 083 head originated as a corvette head got a problem with it too? Is the 1LE option package no good? Come on man!

Let's talk reality the car was probably the fastest in the country before he bought it. It had the same combination I run and had very good hands in it. When I was the fasted flat top in the country on paper it was probably faster just didn't show it.
The truth of the matter is if a couple of guys understood the AHFS and bothered to pay attention the flat top would still be very good the iron dish motor would be better than the aluminum head.

If the car was built right the weight off the front due to the aluminum heads is really not that big a deal. This talk of weight off the front is really not an issue if you know how to build a car.

Stand by by statement about second under and ladder choices. I was there when you were track champion several years the best I ever did was top 10.

Just beat the guy in the final like you know how to do. This stuff is just BS when winning is the goal.

Frank the combo doesn’t exist from the factory
It’s a corvette motor it the only way to get that motor in 1989
So it’s not legal.. if you couldn’t buy it from the dealer it’s truly BOGUS
By the way it’s SOFT as F.
Where did Nhra get aHP rating from. ?
So Nhra is gonna have to explain why it’s ok for this year.
It shouldn’t be a secret...
Let’s see him win class at Indy
By the way I Always carry Plenty of $$$ money.

It’s a super stock combo if it’s in a camaro. FACTS

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

Frank the combo doesn’t exist from the factory
It’s a corvette motor it the only way to get that motor in 1989
So it’s not legal.. if you couldn’t buy it from the dealer it’s truly BOGUS FACTS

Hey Ponko, Why don't you start a thread outing all of the combos that don't exist and we'll start getting rid of them all! At least NHRA admitted that this one is "bogus" and it's gone at the end of this season.
Maybe a side bet? We'll see who starts getting death threats first!

[gumple]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Hey Ponko, Why don't you start a thread outing all of the combos that don't exist and we'll start getting rid of them all! At least NHRA admitted that this one is "bogus" and it's gone at the end of this season.
Maybe a side bet? We'll see who starts getting death threats first!

Mr. Nees,
Many of us remember the successful blitz that you leveled against Jeff Lee's bogus combination. I applaud your efforts in that situation but there is another more egregious combination right in your neighborhood. That being the Carp/Hoven Hemi. This car is also worthy of your corrective attention.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by gumple

Mr. Nees,
Many of us remember the successful blitz that you leveled against Jeff Lee's bogus combination. I applaud your efforts in that situation but there is another more egregious combination right in your neighborhood. That being the Carp/Hoven Hemi. This car is also worthy of your corrective attention.

Correction: Not a bogus combination and educate yourself before making statements without any research.

The AMC's were allowed to run a replacement, over the counter, intake and carburetor and had been approved by IHRA and later NHRA. The AMC intake and Holley carburetor were part of the AMC factory parts catalog with its own section. At the time, the basis for the allowance was the same premise as the 1971 Boss 351 using a Holley carburetor in lieu of the Motorcraft carburetor. With the Boss 351, due to the overlap of the solid lifter camshaft, the dealer's service departments were having issues addressing driveability and idle issues with the Motorcraft carburetor. Therefore, the factory released a service bulletin with instructions to replace them with a new Holley carburetor that Ford released to address the issue.

The AMC deal is similar to what took place as to the use of the Mopar Edelbrock LD intake manifold on SBM's that also had a factory part number that was also rescinded.

Instead of being a keyboard warrior and throwing Billy into the fray, since you appear to have a lot of knowledge, why don't you take the initiative yourself and address the Carp/Hoven Hemi with NHRA? By the way, Todd Hoven is one of the many, hard working racers out there, easy to talk too, and you may even be interested in addressing the issue directly with him face to face.

[gumple]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Correction: Not a bogus combination and educate yourself before making statements without any research.

The AMC's were allowed to run a replacement, over the counter, intake and carburetor and had been approved by IHRA and later NHRA. The AMC intake and Holley carburetor were part of the AMC factory parts catalog with its own section. At the time, the basis for the allowance was the same premise as the 1971 Boss 351 using a Holley carburetor in lieu of the Motorcraft carburetor. With the Boss 351, due to the overlap of the solid lifter camshaft, the dealer's service departments were having issues addressing driveability and idle issues with the Motorcraft carburetor. Therefore, the factory released a service bulletin with instructions to replace them with a new Holley carburetor that Ford released to address the issue.

The AMC deal is similar to what took place as to the use of the Mopar Edelbrock LD intake manifold on SBM's that also had a factory part number that was also rescinded.

Instead of being a keyboard warrior and throwing Billy into the fray, since you appear to have a lot of knowledge, why don't you take the initiative yourself and address the Carp/Hoven Hemi with NHRA? By the way, Todd Hoven is one of the many, hard working racers out there, easy to talk too, and you may even be interested in addressing the issue directly with him face to face.

Firstly, Mr. Nees invited us to discuss other cars that may be bogus. I threw him into nothing.
Secondly, Mr. Nees freely showed documents that proved the Lee car to be bogus and, indeed, some of the documents that had been submitted by Mr. Lee to NHRA were supposedly less than Kosher.
Thirdly, Todd is a nice guy but that doesn't stop him from driving a car that was never manufactured by Chrysler. Mr. Nees has also expressed his reservations, on this forum, about the Carp/Hoven car.

So in the end I'm only discussing information that has already been presented here.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by gumple

Firstly, Mr. Nees invited us to discuss other cars that may be bogus. I threw him into nothing.

Mr. Nees has also expressed his reservations, on this forum, about the Carp/Hoven car.

I didn't "invite" us,you or anyone other than James Perrone who I invited to start a thread. As far as I know, he hasn't started said thread so you haven't been "invited" to discuss anything!

Would you please provide me with a link to my "expressed reservations"?

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by gumple

Secondly, Mr. Nees freely showed documents that proved the Lee car to be bogus and, indeed, some of the documents that had been submitted by Mr. Lee to NHRA were supposedly less than Kosher.
So in the end I'm only discussing information that has already been presented here.

Like I said earlier, educate yourself before making statements.
The documents Billy provided were the same ones other Chrysler provided IHRA and then provided by Chrysler to NHRA. They were part of AMC's OEM parts catalog Group 19. They were dealer, over the counter, dealer installed parts and AMC has not been the only brand that has done so. However, you can continue with your fetish with the word "Bogus".

http://www.planethoustonamx.com/main/group-19.htm

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by gumple

Secondly, Mr. Nees freely showed documents that proved the Lee car to be bogus and, indeed, some of the documents that had been submitted by Mr. Lee to NHRA were supposedly less than Kosher.

Mr. Grumple, I do not know what you do for a living, however, I feel you will fit right in with CNN, MSNBC and others, providing fake news.

As I stated earlier, do your research before making accusations and trying to appear as a saviour and hero to all racers. You have failed miserably.

Also, I strongly believe you owe Mr. Jeff Lee and apology due to the fact he never submitted bogus documents to NHRA. To put a car in the classification, it requires verification directly from the OEM. Below is a picture of the letter Mr. Dale Aldo submitted to NHRA requesting the approval of the AMC parts, the same way as many other components have been introduced by letter requests through the OEM.

By the way, you have gone silent. Are you back in your closet or still in your basement being a keyboard warrior?

Care to elaborate?

Originally Posted by gumple

Mr. Nees,
Many of us remember the successful blitz that you leveled against Jeff Lee's bogus combination. I applaud your efforts in that situation but there is another more egregious combination right in your neighborhood. That being the Carp/Hoven Hemi. This car is also worthy of your corrective attention.