Pontiac 455 hp reduction

[James Perrone]

Wow.
Combo doesn’t exist.. And it’s under factored
..but it’s ok your the only one with combo ...this is fair ?
But it’s only for 1 year. WTF ?
So you can go to a class race and win and that’s ok?
Glad I don’t run his class

[Signman]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

Wow.
Combo doesn’t exist.. And it’s under factored
..but it’s ok your the only one with combo ...this is fair ?
But it’s only for 1 year. WTF ?
So you can go to a class race and win and that’s ok?
Glad I don’t run his class

Not sure it's all that much of an advantage over what everyone running the TPI 350 in Camaros are doing.
The flat top iron head 1990 is now at 281 most everyone just changed year to 1989 installed dish pistons at 270.

Glenn decided to work with the aluminum head which was 270 now 266 so 4 hp gift but looks like it runs the same class as the iron 89.

Looked hard at this head 10 years ago compared to the iron head: It's a copy with smaller chamber plus point of compression but no port improvement. We thought at the time apples to apples (not considering it's much higher rating 10 years ago) not better than the iron head even with smaller chamber and point of compression without port improvement and thermal characteristics of aluminum the iron head would be better. That was the opinion at the time plus adding higher hp rating at that time: Now a 4hp advantage if it really matters.

Glenn is a smart guy has found something has done the work and gets to have fun for one season with it. Wish him luck.

Being fast showing it off is fun, if your goal is to win you need a second under car where ever you race to be a threat in heads ups, set up to be able to qualify where you want on the ladder then you got yourself a weapon.

[rtaylor3410]

I don't disagree with anything you mentioned and certainly don't have a problem with what Glenn is doing, that is part of class racing finding combos with potential and working hard to go fast. My question is based on the rules of the AHFS, how did this combo qualify for a HP reduction. The rule says In addition, the engine family must NOT make two runs of 0.650 or quicker or any run 0.850 or quicker during the review period, for the review to continue. Car #2237made at least 5 runs of more than .8 under at Gainesville in March of 2021.

[GUMP]

Mineshaft?

[James Perrone]

The whole problem with this combo is as Glenn stated it doesn’t exist.
So now Glen has a license to go out the number one qualifier anywhere
And when class happens go as fast he wants with no penalty.
Also now his car is legal FG H stock auto car moves into an 11 1/2 pound break.

The aluminum head is only on the Corvette.
When NHRA allowed aftermarket aluminum heads there was a 10 hp penalty
But he gets to run for one year with this combo.

NHRA is allowing a superstock GT combo to run stock eliminator for one year WTF

Frank let’s be real Glen didn’t do the aluminum head because it was worse. He just took 40 pounds off the nose of of his car and another 40 pounds of ballast so how is that fair. It’s a superstock GT combo running stock eliminator
This needs to be fixed.
10 HP. For aftermarket heads. And it still isn’t Fair.
Glen started a thread where are all the class races …..I wonder why lol

Tell me I’m wrong

[Signman]

[QUOTE=James Perrone;655662.

The aluminum head is only on the Corvette.
When NHRA allowed aftermarket aluminum heads there was a 10 hp penalty
But he gets to run for one year with this combo.

Frank let’s be real Glen didn’t do the aluminum head because it was worse. He just took 40 pounds off the nose of of his car and another 40 pounds of ballast so how is that fair. It’s a superstock GT combo running stock eliminator
This needs to be fixed.
10 HP. For aftermarket heads. And it still isn’t Fair.
Glen started a thread where are all the class races …..I wonder why lol

Tell me I’m wrong[/QUOTE]


Jim
This combo has been legal for for over 20 years. Glenn had it reviewed now it's gone next season. You think he's not taking it in the tookis?

What I stated about my research and advice from very good people is truth, he decided to spend the time & money.
You got a problem protest him and meet in the barn take your stuff apart too.
This head is no where near as good as the 113, it and the 128 are factory heads not aftermarket don't know where bringing up aftermarket heads comes into this. The iron 083 head originated as a corvette head got a problem with it too? Is the 1LE option package no good? Come on man!

Let's talk reality the car was probably the fastest in the country before he bought it. It had the same combination I run and had very good hands in it. When I was the fasted flat top in the country on paper it was probably faster just didn't show it.
The truth of the matter is if a couple of guys understood the AHFS and bothered to pay attention the flat top would still be very good the iron dish motor would be better than the aluminum head.

If the car was built right the weight off the front due to the aluminum heads is really not that big a deal. This talk of weight off the front is really not an issue if you know how to build a car.

Stand by by statement about second under and ladder choices. I was there when you were track champion several years the best I ever did was top 10.

Just beat the guy in the final like you know how to do. This stuff is just BS when winning is the goal.

[James Perrone]

Originally Posted by Signman

Jim
This combo has been legal for for over 20 years. Glenn had it reviewed now it's gone next season. You think he's not taking it in the tookis?

What I stated about my research and advice from very good people is truth, he decided to spend the time & money.
You got a problem protest him and meet in the barn take your stuff apart too.
This head is no where near as good as the 113, it and the 128 are factory heads not aftermarket don't know where bringing up aftermarket heads comes into this. The iron 083 head originated as a corvette head got a problem with it too? Is the 1LE option package no good? Come on man!

Let's talk reality the car was probably the fastest in the country before he bought it. It had the same combination I run and had very good hands in it. When I was the fasted flat top in the country on paper it was probably faster just didn't show it.
The truth of the matter is if a couple of guys understood the AHFS and bothered to pay attention the flat top would still be very good the iron dish motor would be better than the aluminum head.

If the car was built right the weight off the front due to the aluminum heads is really not that big a deal. This talk of weight off the front is really not an issue if you know how to build a car.

Stand by by statement about second under and ladder choices. I was there when you were track champion several years the best I ever did was top 10.

Just beat the guy in the final like you know how to do. This stuff is just BS when winning is the goal.

Frank the combo doesn’t exist from the factory
It’s a corvette motor it the only way to get that motor in 1989
So it’s not legal.. if you couldn’t buy it from the dealer it’s truly BOGUS
By the way it’s SOFT as F.
Where did Nhra get aHP rating from. ?
So Nhra is gonna have to explain why it’s ok for this year.
It shouldn’t be a secret...
Let’s see him win class at Indy
By the way I Always carry Plenty of $$$ money.

It’s a super stock combo if it’s in a camaro. FACTS

[Glenn Briglio]

Originally Posted by rtaylor3410

I don't disagree with anything you mentioned and certainly don't have a problem with what Glenn is doing, that is part of class racing finding combos with potential and working hard to go fast. My question is based on the rules of the AHFS, how did this combo qualify for a HP reduction. The rule says In addition, the engine family must NOT make two runs of 0.650 or quicker or any run 0.850 or quicker during the review period, for the review to continue. Car #2237made at least 5 runs of more than .8 under at Gainesville in March of 2021.

Mineshaft race at Gainesville. Also mineshaft race at New England dragway for nationals June 2021.