69 z-28 camaro ?

[Tom Goldman]

I've been doing a lot of work on several ' 69 Z's lately for one of my dealership customers. .....I just finished on a flat hood car that was a fully documented as such, It sure is strange nowdays seeing one with the flat hood. ......Travis, you're right about being able to purchace all the flapper parts now, but you can easily tell the difference between the original and the aftermarket parts, there is no comparison.....Tom

[bob gonier]

ACTUALLY GUYS............ It was a production date issue. The early production cars had the flat hoods and the cowl induction hood came out later into the model year. SO....... ALL early production cars came from the factory with a flat hood and ALL cars built after a certain date got the cowl hood. It was standard equipment on all the later built Z/28's and ALL the Pace Cars and COPO Camaro's. Those the facts............

Did you also know early production Z/28's came with the shorter '68 spoiler too......As an option of course......





bob

[Z28-69]

[QUOTE=bob gonier;65333]ACTUALLY GUYS............ It was a production date issue. The early production cars had the flat hoods and the cowl induction hood came out later into the model year. SO....... ALL early production cars came from the factory with a flat hood and ALL cars built after a certain date got the cowl hood. It was standard equipment on all the later built Z/28's and ALL the Pace Cars and COPO Camaro's. Those the facts............

Did you also know early production Z/28's came with the shorter '68 spoiler too......As an option of course......



From what I'm told, you are correct. Also most of the ones that were built in Norwood were flat hood. Mine was a flat hood that didn't stay flat for long. However I still have the flat one laying around. I am lucky that my Dad is a pack rat. I have almost all the orriginal parts in boxes, and car has mostly drag strip milage.

[Troy Henderson]

Were there any 1968 model year camaros built with the cowl hood? I always assumed it wasn't until the 69 model year but was curious.

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by bob gonier

ACTUALLY GUYS............ It was a production date issue. The early production cars had the flat hoods and the cowl induction hood came out later into the model year. SO....... ALL early production cars came from the factory with a flat hood and ALL cars built after a certain date got the cowl hood. It was standard equipment on all the later built Z/28's and ALL the Pace Cars and COPO Camaro's. Those the facts.......
bob

Wrongo, Bob. I worked at a Chevrolet dealership in 1969 and was best friends with the owners. The cowl hood was an option on all 4-bbl equipped Camaros after 10-1-68, including Z28s. It was spec'ed as a required option with the Pace Car package and the COPO 427 cars, but never a "standard equipment" piece on anything. It's like a four-speed transmission. The Z28 option required ordering a four-speed and front disc brakes, but they were not part of the Z28 option. The Z28 code option only included the special engine, special suspension pieces, HD rear axle, HD cooling and the badging. The cowl hood option was not required on the Z28. Its option code was ZL2.

In the period between 1969 and 1973, I owned a '69 SS 396-325 with a cowl hood and the spoiler package, a standard '69 Camaro 350-255hp with the cowl hood option (Wierd car. It had a four-speed, disc brakes, 12-bolt w/posi, then a single exhaust. The original owner special ordered the car but didn't realize that the regular gas engines all came with a single exhuast system.), a '69 coupe with the Pace Car package, 350-300 hp which required the cowl hood option, a couple of cowl hood optioned Z28s, and a '69 SS 396-375 with the cowl hood package. I also owned a late-July 1969 built Z28 with a flat hood, a December '68 built 1969 Z28 with a flat hood and no positraction (dumb!), a '69 SS 396-350 hp with the standard SS hood and a '69 307 PG standard car with a flat hood. All were original production equipped cars.

The cowl hood was a 1969 year option only.

The short '68 style spoiler was never factory installed. There was a supplier problem shortly after the '69s were introduced because the spoiler package was so popular and the demand exceeded the supply. Many dealers responded by installing the '67-'68 spoilers, which were available, to satisfy the buyers.

The cowl hood has always been such a popular item and so many have been installed on early Camaros that the production availability facts have been blurred in time.

Those are the facts.

Dwight Southerland

[CrateCamaro]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Wrongo, Bob. I worked at a Chevrolet dealership in 1969 and was best friends with the owners. The cowl hood was an option on all 4-bbl equipped Camaros after 10-1-68, including Z28s. It was spec'ed as a required option with the Pace Car package and the COPO 427 cars, but never a "standard equipment" piece on anything. It's like a four-speed transmission. The Z28 option required ordering a four-speed and front disc brakes, but they were not part of the Z28 option. The Z28 code option only included the special engine, special suspension pieces, HD rear axle, HD cooling and the badging. The cowl hood option was not required on the Z28. Its option code was ZL2.

In the period between 1969 and 1973, I owned a '69 SS 396-325 with a cowl hood and the spoiler package, a standard '69 Camaro 350-255hp with the cowl hood option (Wierd car. It had a four-speed, disc brakes, 12-bolt w/posi, then a single exhaust. The original owner special ordered the car but didn't realize that the regular gas engines all came with a single exhuast system.), a '69 coupe with the Pace Car package, 350-300 hp which required the cowl hood option, a couple of cowl hood optioned Z28s, and a '69 SS 396-375 with the cowl hood package. I also owned a late-July 1969 built Z28 with a flat hood, a December '68 built 1969 Z28 with a flat hood and no positraction (dumb!), a '69 SS 396-350 hp with the standard SS hood and a '69 307 PG standard car with a flat hood. All were original production equipped cars.

The cowl hood was a 1969 year option only.

The short '68 style spoiler was never factory installed. There was a supplier problem shortly after the '69s were introduced because the spoiler package was so popular and the demand exceeded the supply. Many dealers responded by installing the '67-'68 spoilers, which were available, to satisfy the buyers.

The cowl hood has always been such a popular item and so many have been installed on early Camaros that the production availability facts have been blurred in time.

Those are the facts.

Dwight Southerland

a late 68 Z28 could have had a cowl hood. Thats right out of a resto book.

[stefan callender]

Wheres Jerry McNeish for this conversation????

[Jeff Niceswanger]

According to the Camaro White Book,there were 243,085 Camaros buit in 69. Only 10,029 were built with the option "ZL2 Hood,Special Ducted" . I had two 69 Z-28s back then.One was a gold and black Rally Sport with a flat hood. The other was silver and black with the cowl induction hood.

[Travis Miller]

Speaking strictly of 1967-69 Camaros, 1969 was the only year the factory installed a cowl induction hood. I have an original dealer's Chevrolet Parts Catalog dated Feburary 1973. The catalog was given to me by a friend who worked a Chevy parts counter. I happened to be at the dealership the day they received the newer parts catalog. He asked if I wanted the old parts catalog and I said yes. It covers 1965-72 Full size Chevrolets, 1964-72 Chevelles, 1962-72 Novas, and 1967-72 Camaros.

The following is taken from my original Chevy parts catalog:

8.000 PANEL, Hood Top

CAMARO
67-69 Camaro (exc. 350, 396, spec. duct hood)...............3938617 75.10

67 Camaro (350, 396)
68-69 Camaro (350, 396) (exc. spec. duct hood)..............3938619 78.40

69 Camaro w/ spec. ducted hood.....................................3949708 98.90


Travis

(Disclaimer: Now you guys know my secret for researching older Chevies)

[bob gonier]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Wrongo, Bob. I worked at a Chevrolet dealership in 1969 and was best friends with the owners. The cowl hood was an option on all 4-bbl equipped Camaros after 10-1-68, including Z28s. It was spec'ed as a required option with the Pace Car package and the COPO 427 cars, but never a "standard equipment" piece on anything. It's like a four-speed transmission. The Z28 option required ordering a four-speed and front disc brakes, but they were not part of the Z28 option. The Z28 code option only included the special engine, special suspension pieces, HD rear axle, HD cooling and the badging. The cowl hood option was not required on the Z28. Its option code was ZL2.

In the period between 1969 and 1973, I owned a '69 SS 396-325 with a cowl hood and the spoiler package, a standard '69 Camaro 350-255hp with the cowl hood option (Wierd car. It had a four-speed, disc brakes, 12-bolt w/posi, then a single exhaust. The original owner special ordered the car but didn't realize that the regular gas engines all came with a single exhuast system.), a '69 coupe with the Pace Car package, 350-300 hp which required the cowl hood option, a couple of cowl hood optioned Z28s, and a '69 SS 396-375 with the cowl hood package. I also owned a late-July 1969 built Z28 with a flat hood, a December '68 built 1969 Z28 with a flat hood and no positraction (dumb!), a '69 SS 396-350 hp with the standard SS hood and a '69 307 PG standard car with a flat hood. All were original production equipped cars.

The cowl hood was a 1969 year option only.

The short '68 style spoiler was never factory installed. There was a supplier problem shortly after the '69s were introduced because the spoiler package was so popular and the demand exceeded the supply. Many dealers responded by installing the '67-'68 spoilers, which were available, to satisfy the buyers.

The cowl hood has always been such a popular item and so many have been installed on early Camaros that the production availability facts have been blurred in time.

Those are the facts.

Dwight Southerland

OK Dwight........... I'll buy into what you are saying but I owned a few original Z/28's and restored a bunch more and I have personally never seen a 69 Z/28 built after 4/69 have a flat hood. I personally owned a 9/68 built Z/28 with the flat hood and short spoiler and it had all the original paint and was bought from the original owner. I agree a ton of cars were converted to cowl hood/rear spoiler cars but all the factory cowl cars have a "special" hole in the firewall for the wires that operate the cowl flapper. I currently have a 6/69 Z/28 thats a factory cowl car with the D-80 spoiler code. Also..... the throttle arm for factory cowl cars is different..........

Theres no better info than from people who lived it.....................





bob