Raising Mineshaft Requirements To .95 Under For Stock

[GTS340]

I'm sure the averages will go up on certain combos if they raise the mineshaft number. When you get in great air. Plenty of cars can run one second under. I can't see 40 cars of a 80 car field hanging around .95 under.
Plus there are a lot of .90 under passes that don't count when it does go mineshaft at the .85 under now. It will surely be fun to watch the scrabbling. Some are artist at qualify in the right spots so they line up to mister bye in the later rounds. Probably more heads up races will happen in the fast air I'll bet.

Paul Haszlauer
7019 SS/FA

[GTS340]

I'm not sure what the "welfare" game is. Some know where the best spot is for them on the qualifying sheet and run it to the 1000' mark. Personally I'm not good enough to know the best spot. Guys like Jody Lang do out west here. My car is fast in stock but I like Superstock where it's slow.. I'm not a "stock to the lanes" at 7:30 person I guess.

Paul

[Larry Hill]

Points for qualifying; like maybe 10pts for #1 spot, 9pts for #2, and so forth. Would national qualifying points be more than Divisional? Would it be the top 10% get qualifying points. 100 racers top ten get points, 128 racers top 13 get points, the AHFS always rounds up on any fraction of a whole number.

[Mike Pearson]

Maybe it would be better to consider a race mineshaft by the weather conditions. That is what it was actually intended for. Low temp, high barometer, low humidity and tail wind. So lets say below 62 degrees. Baro above 30.15 Humidity below 30% and tail wind above 7 mph. In my mind that is mineshaft.

[J.R. Haddad]

Mike, I don't want to come across as argumentative, maybe just comparing
regions. At lots of races that I have attended over the years in the Midwest,
I would consider a barometer of 29.5, temp of 75 or less, humidity of 50%
or less, and no wind as mineshaft capable. I can only dream of the conditions you describe at a National Open. I don't know the answer,
but I'm not sure there is a problem. NHRA makes it tougher, racer's get
more creative, what was "GRAY" area, gets missed for a while, NHRA
figures it out, but then realize 40% of the racers are doing it, so it becomes
O.K., and everybody does it=more cost. I think that is where we lose a
lot of racers. Want racers to run it to the finish line, Reward Them.

J.R.

[James Perrone]

It only effects Division 1
We hit the mineshaft more than any other division
We are Bad azz fast over here. D-1. Or we live in fantasy land
Not for the weak.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad

NHRA makes it tougher, racer's get
more creative, what was "GRAY" area, gets missed for a while, NHRA
figures it out, but then realize 40% of the racers are doing it, so it becomes
O.K., and everybody does it=more cost. I think that is where we lose a
lot of racers. Want racers to run it to the finish line, Reward Them.

J.R.

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[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad

Mike, I don't want to come across as argumentative, maybe just comparing
regions. At lots of races that I have attended over the years in the Midwest,
I would consider a barometer of 29.5, temp of 75 or less, humidity of 50%
or less, and no wind as mineshaft capable. I can only dream of the conditions you describe at a National Open. I don't know the answer,
but I'm not sure there is a problem. NHRA makes it tougher, racer's get
more creative, what was "GRAY" area, gets missed for a while, NHRA
figures it out, but then realize 40% of the racers are doing it, so it becomes
O.K., and everybody does it=more cost. I think that is where we lose a
lot of racers. Want racers to run it to the finish line, Reward Them.

J.R.

You are no argumentative at all. Just threw that out there to see what some thought. Those numbers are some that we see here early and late in the season at D-2 events periodically. We can and do get those numbers at the early points races here in Florida like the orlando race or the baby gators.

[Mark Yacavone]

I wouldn't have a problem with -.85.
Good idea...I'm surprised NHRA adopted it.
I suppose having AHFS at Indy is okay too. It's going to be mineshaft anyway.
Having 2-3 cars that run 1.5- 2.0 under there just showcases what a p. poor job they did at factoring them in the first place.

[JeremyDuncan]

Originally Posted by Mike Pearson

Maybe it would be better to consider a race mineshaft by the weather conditions. That is what it was actually intended for. Low temp, high barometer, low humidity and tail wind. So lets say below 62 degrees. Baro above 30.15 Humidity below 30% and tail wind above 7 mph. In my mind that is mineshaft.

So when would these weather conditions apply?

8am? 12pm?
Beginning of Stock qualifying?
Beginning of SS qualifying?
Each pair of cars?

What if the parameters were met at the beginning of a session then you had a 2 hour rain delay in the middle of qualifying would they still apply?

Using weather Data is just too unwieldy!