New Era. We are wanting change

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

They will not Fold!


They will simple replace you with some different classes.


They may even be saying to them selves it took longer than it sure have to get those whiners out of here.


Remember to NHRA you are just filler at Nation events. The place you do have some power is divisional races.The question is can you use that to get some changes at National events.



Stan

I don't think so, Stanley
Who are they going to replace us with?
Where are they going to get 4-500 racers that will go to divisionals for 3-4 day to win a mere pittance, compared to the entry? Multiply that by 7-8 times for the privilege of getting abused at Nat'ls.
Divisionals have NO spectator gate, so that whole scam would fold.

Bracket racers know better. We lost that crowd decades ago.

We damn sure know they won't replace you with Import racing.

The ball is in your court.. I doubt anybody at NHRA has the promotional skills to replace you with anybody.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I don't think so, Stanley
Who are they going to replace us with?
Where are they going to get 4-500 racers that will go to divisionals for 3-4 day to win a mere pittance, compared to the entry? Multiply that by 7-8 times for the privilege of getting abused at Nat'ls.
Divisionals have NO spectator gate, so that whole scam would fold.

Bracket racers know better. We lost that crowd decades ago.

We damn sure know they won't replace you with Import racing.

The ball is in your court.. I doubt anybody at NHRA has the promotional skills to replace you with anybody.

Mark,
I was talking about National Events. But don't let that get in your way. I know how you like to spin things.



Stan

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Mark,
I was talking about National Events. But don't let that get in your way. I know how you like to spin things.



Stan

I knew that.
You don't think NHRA will give up the Div. deal readily, do you? You don't think they're going to let bracket cars in off the street to replace S/SS and the .90's at Nat'ls do you?
You don't think guys will still go to 8-9 Div's and then boycott Nationals, do you?

I know how you like go off topic to avoid answering the question.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I knew that.
You don't think NHRA will give up the Div. deal readily, do you? You don't think they're going to let bracket cars in off the street to replace S/SS and the .90's at Nat'ls do you?
You don't think guys will still go to 8-9 Div's and then boycott Nationals, do you?

I know how you like go off topic to avoid answering the question.

Mark,
While others have talked about a boycott of National events. Please quote one of my posts where I said a boycott of any event is what should be done.

Stan

[Jim Caughlin]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I don't think so, Stanley
Who are they going to replace us with?
Where are they going to get 4-500 racers that will go to divisionals for 3-4 day to win a mere pittance, compared to the entry? Multiply that by 7-8 times for the privilege of getting abused at Nat'ls.
Divisionals have NO spectator gate, so that whole scam would fold.

Bracket racers know better. We lost that crowd decades ago.

We damn sure know they won't replace you with Import racing.

The ball is in your court.. I doubt anybody at NHRA has the promotional skills to replace you with anybody.

In the event of an attempted boycott of Natl Events, who would they replace us with?
Street Outlaws, Pinks (with that creepy announcer guy), 275Xcars, 10.5 tire guys, 8.5 tire guys, outlaw Pro Stock, nostalgia Pro Stock, nostalgia Super Stock (don't have to do any of the annoying tech stuff), nostalgia Top Fuel, nostalgia just about anything, wheel standers, jet cars, circus animals, clown, people with those tshirt guns, people making balloon animals, bikini contests, should I go on?

Secondly, there are enough people who want to win a Natl Event, they would say they were going to boycott and then show up anyway to try to sneak out an easy win. Don't even talk about boycotts, not going to happen and NHRA is just hoping for it to happen. Remember how successful the Modified Elim protest at Indy turned out?

[Jeff Stout]

I remember how the muffler deal went in Gainesville. It was successful I think.

[MoJo Risen]

If Stock and SuperStock never showed up to another race the SUPER/GAS/COMP/STREET cars would be more than enough to fill in the void.

If you want a challenge then sportsman bracket races have plenty of good racers. Heck, in 1st round last year of the Sunmet et nationals the Current National Champ in Stock eliminator "Jody Lang" went out 1st round.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin

In the event of an attempted boycott of Natl Events, who would they replace us with?
Street Outlaws, Pinks (with that creepy announcer guy), 275Xcars, 10.5 tire guys, 8.5 tire guys, outlaw Pro Stock, nostalgia Pro Stock, nostalgia Super Stock (don't have to do any of the annoying tech stuff), nostalgia Top Fuel, nostalgia just about anything, wheel standers, jet cars, circus animals, clown, people with those tshirt guns, people making balloon animals, bikini contests, should I go on?

Secondly, there are enough people who want to win a Natl Event, they would say they were going to boycott and then show up anyway to try to sneak out an easy win. Don't even talk about boycotts, not going to happen and NHRA is just hoping for it to happen. Remember how successful the Modified Elim protest at Indy turned out?

Jim, None that you mentioned would pay the entry fees i.e. the cash cow , that we do.. Minimum 60 times 4 categories x (help me here) $350? x 240 = 84 K, TS and TD, 21K = 105 K loss
. Now , N/PS types would race for free probably, but won't pay like we do.

The second part, I agree with you on. Ain't gonna happen.

[Jim Caughlin]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Jim, None that you mentioned would pay the entry fees i.e. the cash cow , that we do.. Minimum 60 times 4 categories x (help me here) $350? x 240 = 84 K, TS and TD, 21K = 105 K loss
. Now , N/PS types would race for free probably, but won't pay like we do.

The second part, I agree with you on. Ain't gonna happen.

Mark, not disagreeing with you, more of a philosophical debate as this has been hashed on for decades. Things are what they are, you either accept it and race or buy a fishing boat. For now, I am opting for racing.

[S/ST Monte Carlo]

For years rumor's have swirled that sportsman classes (sometimes just the .90's, or just Stock/Super Stock or all sportsman) could be eliminated from national events. When someone mentioned they could replace us (speaking of Stock/Super Stock) I decided to drill down and try to obtain tangible data.

In 2019 (pre-covid data) there were a total of 2215 stock/super stock entries at national events. This totaled $480050 entry fees plus $265800 in insurance surcharges for a grand total of $745850. This is not accounting for gold/silver card or transfers. That info is not easily obtained.

There are only 4 sportsman classes that competed at all 24 national events-Stock, Super Stock, Super Gas, Super Comp. How would they fill the space if they eliminated Stock and Super Stock?

As an exercise I looked at the sportsman classes not contested at all 24 events. I determined the average number of entries for the events where the class was contested. Then I added that to the events were events were not contested. For example if there were 160 entries over 16 races I ASSUMED there would be 240 entries over 24 races. If NHRA decided to eliminate Stock and Super Stock and let Comp, Top Dragster, Top Sportsman, Super Street, Factory Stock, TAD, TAFC, pro mod and Factory Stock race at the events where they are not currently contested they would pull in $555230 in entry fees, $314580 in insurance surcharges for a grand total of $869810.

You may be wondering, wouldn't the above assumptions lead to a lot more entries? The answer is no. Based on the assumptions above, 2209 entries were added. This is 6 less than Stock/Super Stock in 2019.

To be very clear I hope this never happens. I appreciate all the sportsman classes...which is one reason I enjoy divisionals. This exercise made it brutally clear that if NHRA decides to make one group divisional only, they have options to make the money up. And really, do they need to make the money back up? We are part of an organization that pulls in almost $100 million annually. Also, they were the ones that started quota's.

The organization is far from perfect but I'm most concerned about electric cars. We have seen the Mustang and Camaro and Tony Stewart making passes. It's clear to me that the organization sees this as at least part of the future.