The Future Of The .90 Classes

[voltdr]

Originally Posted by NHRA1926

How about this. No delay boxes, manual throttle limiters only (no electric or pneumatic limiters), manual shift only, including automatic transmissions (no electrically controlled or CO2 shifters). Let's see how many racers can compete without all the electronic gadgets doing all the work for them. Car must remain under full power to at least to the 1,000 foot timer. Every one knows that people in the stands still do not like this type of racing. They want to see cars under full power all the way down the track, (not fall on it's face for hundreds of feet down the track). And before you start bashing me, know that I run Super Street myself. So this can be done, because this is how I race. I choose to not be a monkey in the car and let all the electronics do the work, while all I have to do is cut a light. Also, once your car is fast enough for Super Gas, it should not be allowed to run in Super Street. Leave Super Street class for the racers that are not running 140 mph +. I'm not trying to bash anyone else's way of racing. We all have our ways of trying to be competitive in these style classes. Just my 2 cents, and I know that it's not gonna be popular with the majority of the Super class racers.

The only thing this would do is put the aftermarket HP industry out of business. The genie is out of the bottle and not going back in..........
Dan

[NHRA1926]

Yup, so big corporate America is now running the NHRA. Tail is wagging the dog, so to speak. God forbid we just race without these big companies complaining about how we race or what equipment we use. We do need these companies for parts, but they shouldn't be able to dictate to NHRA that these classes HAVE TO buy and use their parts to be able to compete in the super classes. So I refuse to. Just like the 2 year expiration dates on the belts. No reason why NHRA can't inspect and re-certify them at the track. It's all about feeding money back to these companies and forcing the racer to flip the bill for it. Don't get me wrong, safety equipment should not be compromised, but why do we have to spend this money every two years? Other sanctioned racing entities don't require it, and those cars sit outside on open trailers, exposed to the weather and sun. The harness in those other cars are always being strained left, right, forward and back. Doesn't make much sense, other than forcing the money issue to these companies.

[Regan Wilson]

Originally Posted by NHRA1926

Yup, so big corporate America is now running the NHRA. Tail is wagging the dog, so to speak. God forbid we just race without these big companies complaining about how we race or what equipment we use. We do need these companies for parts, but they shouldn't be able to dictate to NHRA that these classes HAVE TO buy and use their parts to be able to compete in the super classes. So I refuse to. Just like the 2 year expiration dates on the belts. No reason why NHRA can't inspect and re-certify them at the track. It's all about feeding money back to these companies and forcing the racer to flip the bill for it. Don't get me wrong, safety equipment should not be compromised, but why do we have to spend this money every two years? Other sanctioned racing entities don't require it, and those cars sit outside on open trailers, exposed to the weather and sun. The harness in those other cars are always being strained left, right, forward and back. Doesn't make much sense, other than forcing the money issue to these companies.

I think you are missing the point. The point is if all we had to run was say 10.90 @ 118 mph there would be no need in new tech in the horsepower aspect. I've had people look at my truck and say ( Isn't that a little too much for SST?). The last time I checked NHRA stood for National Hot Rod Association. I race a Hot Rod and don't care what everyone else runs if it meets class requirements. Do what you want with your Hot Rod.

[Keith 944]

Originally Posted by Regan Wilson

I think you are missing the point. The point is if all we had to run was say 10.90 @ 118 mph there would be no need in new tech in the horsepower aspect. I've had people look at my truck and say ( Isn't that a little too much for SST?). The last time I checked NHRA stood for National Hot Rod Association. I race a Hot Rod and don't care what everyone else runs if it meets class requirements. Do what you want with your Hot Rod.

Totally agree
I can’t help it if you bring a knife to a gunfight!
Don’t play in there sandbox and try to change rules to fit your agenda
I have won with a very slow car and now with a fast one. All within rules
Anyway there are some more classes that fit that need. No t-stop and stricter rules. There is a 10 flat 8.50 and 11.50 class. Nhra even had them at several division races. Not a huge turnout or a big fan hit like you think.
I just won an event in the 11.50 index class.in my street strip car. Believe me it wasn’t easy. Btw the winner in the 10 flat class was also a super street racer.

[Charlie Yannetti]

Coming to the Super classes from Comp Eliminator, I have no problem in wanting to go faster.. we keep building things bigger and faster, but remain in our respective classes.. many looked to TS and TD as a place to take our stuff to go faster.. unfortunately, as in my case, my body style is not acceptable in either.. many are in the same boat.. AND THEN, TS and TD spiraled out of control in the money area, which made them unattainable for many who really wanted to go fast.. SOOOOOOO, back to bracket racing for many..

I see no problem with dropping the indexes by a second in each class, and run off the same .370 tree in all classes.. all rules remain the same, except maybe the minimum weight for S/ST.. we may find that some SG guys, who run just enough power to run 9.90, will change to S/ST, and not have to spend money on a new combination.. and we already know that many S/ST folks can already run 9.90, especially if they can lose some weight..

Not a bad idea from where I'm sittin'.. I can't see where anyone gets hurt..

[Regan Wilson]

Originally Posted by Charlie Yannetti

Coming to the Super classes from Comp Eliminator, I have no problem in wanting to go faster.. we keep building things bigger and faster, but remain in our respective classes.. many looked to TS and TD as a place to take our stuff to go faster.. unfortunately, as in my case, my body style is not acceptable in either.. many are in the same boat.. AND THEN, TS and TD spiraled out of control in the money area, which made them unattainable for many who really wanted to go fast.. SOOOOOOO, back to bracket racing for many..

I see no problem with dropping the indexes by a second in each class, and run off the same .370 tree in all classes.. all rules remain the same, except maybe the minimum weight for S/ST.. we may find that some SG guys, who run just enough power to run 9.90, will change to S/ST, and not have to spend money on a new combination.. and we already know that many S/ST folks can already run 9.90, especially if they can lose some weight..

Not a bad idea from where I'm sittin'.. I can't see where anyone gets hurt..

I agree with everything you said but the .370 tree. There are some SST cars that struggle with .470. And of course there's this dummy with a 3550lb truck.

[flash]

the one thing you can't outrun in racing is "Money" most people that whine are just wanting to change something to fit what they have ,or are just keyboard racers! the super classes are not perfect but there are not a tougher place to win,come get you some-or just shut up!

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by Charlie Yannetti

Coming to the Super classes from Comp Eliminator, I have no problem in wanting to go faster.. we keep building things bigger and faster, but remain in our respective classes.. many looked to TS and TD as a place to take our stuff to go faster.. unfortunately, as in my case, my body style is not acceptable in either.. many are in the same boat.. AND THEN, TS and TD spiraled out of control in the money area, which made them unattainable for many who really wanted to go fast.. SOOOOOOO, back to bracket racing for many..

I see no problem with dropping the indexes by a second in each class, and run off the same .370 tree in all classes.. all rules remain the same, except maybe the minimum weight for S/ST.. we may find that some SG guys, who run just enough power to run 9.90, will change to S/ST, and not have to spend money on a new combination.. and we already know that many S/ST folks can already run 9.90, especially if they can lose some weight..

Not a bad idea from where I'm sittin'.. I can't see where anyone gets hurt..

Nobody gets hurt from the perspective of a slow SG car, because under your proposal SST magically becomes the same class that SG was previously. Slow SC cars and slow SST cars get the shaft as they don't have a slower option.

Do you envision the lower indexes drawing enough new fast cars to offset those losses? My personal opinion is that anyone who wants to throttle stop race is already doing it as long as they have the power to run the current indexes.

[reknapp52]

I just stumbled onto this thread, but did read the various opinions. I agree with those that want to leave the indexes as they are. Most SST and SG guys who want faster racing probably have the HP to step up one level. Maybe a lower index for the SC guys.