CLASS RACER wall of SHAME ....

[DG]

"Now why don't we talk about Electronic cheating, nobody has much to say about that?" Greg Luneack


Since we know NHRA doesn't have the man power, I think we should be talking about what counter measures can be enacted through the rules that make electronic cheating less feasible. What changes are racers willing to tolerate, that make it more difficult to cheat?

Are we willing to give up drive shaft speed sensors?

Are we willing to use NHRA certified ignition boxes and tachs? Ignitions and tachs that could allow NHRA to easily plug in a diagnostic device to see if its been tampered with?

Are we willing to have qualified fields that make it difficult to sandbag. I believe down track timing controls are more effective if your able to run a dial in (drive shaft speed profile) that are 3-4 tenths slower than the car is capable of running.

Should we all pay an extra $50 on the entry fee to pay for a tech savy official to really do a good job of rooting out electronic cheating devices at NHRA sanctioned events?

Should a separate Nostalgia Stock and Super Stock class be created that prohibits programmable ignitions such as the grid. Maybe run cable drive tachs again? Let the new EFI cars run whatever they want in their own class?

I don't know what the answer is, but I am interested in it what others think will work to deter electronic cheating. NHRA clearly is on our side when it comes to prohibiting electronic cheating, but we need to be realistic about what can be reasonably expected from NHRA Tech without changes to make their job easier.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Originally Posted by DG

"Now why don't we talk about Electronic cheating, nobody has much to say about that?" Greg Luneack


Since we know NHRA doesn't have the man power, I think we should be talking about what counter measures can be enacted through the rules that make electronic cheating less feasible. What changes are racers willing to tolerate, that make it more difficult to cheat?

Are we willing to give up drive shaft speed sensors?

Are we willing to use NHRA certified ignition boxes and tachs? Ignitions and tachs that could allow NHRA to easily plug in a diagnostic device to see if its been tampered with?

Are we willing to have qualified fields that make it difficult to sandbag. I believe down track timing controls are more effective if your able to run a dial in (drive shaft speed profile) that are 3-4 tenths slower than the car is capable of running.

Should we all pay an extra $50 on the entry fee to pay for a tech savy official to really do a good job of rooting out electronic cheating devices at NHRA sanctioned events?

Should a separate Nostalgia Stock and Super Stock class be created that prohibits programmable ignitions such as the grid. Maybe run cable drive tachs again? Let the new EFI cars run whatever they want in their own class?

I don't know what the answer is, but I am interested in it what others think will work to deter electronic cheating. NHRA clearly is on our side when it comes to prohibiting electronic cheating, but we need to be realistic about what can be reasonably expected from NHRA Tech without changes to make their job easier.

One year at St Louis NHRA pulled us all over after a TT and went over our wiring. They supplied the floor jacks if needed and they really looked them over. The tech guy I had questioned one particular wire and he ask me " where does this wire go" ? For the life of me, I don't know why I said what I said. I answered " that goes to my delay box" ! In my mind, I said Trans Brake. But that's not what came out of my mouth. My brother gave me that what the ? look.. LOL. I realized what I had said and quickly rephrased my answer. But the damage was already done ... I was there for a while .. LOL

[bykr]

With everything you can do with the new fuel injection systems, is there really anything that can be done to curb the electronic cheating?

[Robin Lawrence]

Originally Posted by bykr

With everything you can do with the new fuel injection systems, is there really anything that can be done to curb the electronic cheating?

This is a good point!

Yes and no. The abilities of the newer ECU's are amazing. You can pretty much do just about anything that you can imagine.
One method that we use with NHRA is approved Firmware that turns off many of the options that would allow one to "build" a configuration that is not legal.

We have unique firmware for NHRA Pro Stock, Pro Mod and Pro Stock Motorcycle for the Holley EFI.

NHRA flashes the ECU's with that firmware and then locks the ability to reflash the firmware.

It gets down to what ECU's suppliers work with NHRA Tech and are allowed on the approved product list. Most are very supportive of NHRA's efforts to close any loopholes in the software.

Robin

[Pete Beau]

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger

One year at St Louis NHRA pulled us all over after a TT and went over our wiring. They supplied the floor jacks if needed and they really looked them over. The tech guy I had questioned one particular wire and he ask me " where does this wire go" ? For the life of me, I don't know why I said what I said. I answered " that goes to my delay box" ! In my mind, I said Trans Brake. But that's not what came out of my mouth. My brother gave me that what the ? look.. LOL. I realized what I had said and quickly rephrased my answer. But the damage was already done ... I was there for a while .. LOL

Doh

[Whalen3186]

Originally Posted by DG

Should we all pay an extra $50 on the entry fee to pay for a tech savy official to really do a good job of rooting out electronic cheating devices at NHRA sanctioned events?

This is already happening. $340 is a very premium entry fee to enter a National event and run for a winner's purse of $1200. $180 entry at a Divisional to race for $1000 is also a steep entry that should include allowances for proper tech support.

The tech guys that we interact with at races do a great job. This isn't on them. NHRA is responsible for keeping a fair playing field and giving tech the authority to do their job.

[DG]

The tech guys that we interact with at races do a great job. This isn't on them. NHRA should is responsible for keeping a fair playing field and giving tech the authority to do their job.[/QUOTE]


To be clear, I am not putting this on the tech guys in any way.