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Old 02-08-2020, 01:32 AM   #1
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At the '60 Nats in Detroit, Jim Wangers won his class & Frank Barnett won A/SA. I think Jim won overall "Mr. Stock Elimunator".

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At the '61 Winter Nats, Allen Hart won D/S, & Bob Battelle won C/SA.

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At the '67 Spring Nats, Pontiac won A/SA & E/SA.

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Old 02-08-2020, 04:07 AM   #2
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Here's a nat record list at the end of the 1970 season. Rod Kister had the top speed record for H/S, in a '70 Pontiac. Borcherdt & Stealy had the ET record for E/SA, in a '69 Pontiac. So, does anybody know which bodies these cars were, or any other info about either car ?

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OK, found info on the '69. It's "Rocky's Goat", that has been mentioned here. Apparently Fred Borcherdt was the main man involved in the car's performance.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9X...VZaE1RM1k/view

http://www.classracer.com/classforum...5&postcount=23

This post says the '70 Rod Kister car was the "Big Iron II" car.

https://www.highdefforum.com/1178416-post1682.html

Says that Rod was div 5 champ, and that the car was the 1st in it's class to run under 12.00. I can't verify that. But that list I posted a link to, show his name as setting the record in H/S. Don't think any RA3 or RA4 engine car ever ran that low of a class. So, maybe it was a different car.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0511-107356/

Here's some pics of it in restored condition. Don't know how close that was to how it looked, as raced, back in 1970. That was the only year Rod raced it. Only pics i remember finding of a "Big Iron" GTO, was of a '69.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...65&postcount=2
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:27 AM   #3
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How 'bout a Bill Jenkins prepared E/SA '63 Pontiac ?

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Here's an '07 magazine article about the early SD program. I couldn't make the pages big enuff to read. But some here probably know how to do that.

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Old 02-08-2020, 12:48 PM   #4
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Here's a story about the Arnie Beswick prepared "Jolly Green Giant" '65 GTO.

https://eastcoastdragtimeshalloffame...a-clutch-play/

Not sure why the name. Only green I see us the lettering. Maybe he just liked the ad.
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We've all probably noticed how lots of Pontiac drag cars, from the old days, had names associated in some way with Native Americans. Here are a few of those cars.

https://itstillruns.com/did-pontiac-...e-5694601.html
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Then there were lots of Pontiac car names which had nothing to do with Native Americans. Below are just a few of those.

Then there are all the others we've seen here, such as Black Gold, Big Iron, Kathy's Clown, Super Sleeper, Git-Go, Hard Times, Tons-a-Fun, and so many more.

Then some guys just like their name on the door.

I suppose some dealers insisted that their dealer name be on the doors.
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Old 02-09-2020, 09:09 PM   #7
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Found this list of '63 Nats class winners. Several Pontiacs on the list, including Don Gay in A/S & Bill Abraham in A/SA. Pontiacs also picked up D/SA, F/SA, & C/S.

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If you click enuff, you can make the list big enuff to read. You have to click the arrow in the top RH corner, then click on the list.
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At the '60 Nats in Detroit, Jim Wangers won his class & Frank Barnett won A/SA. I think Jim won overall "Mr. Stock Elimunator".

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At the '61 Winter Nats, Allen Hart won D/S, & Bob Battelle won C/SA.

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Ney Oldskool - would you have a pic of Hart’s or Battelle’s cars?
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Old 01-06-2022, 10:06 AM   #9
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Ney Oldskool - would you have a pic of Hart’s or Battelle’s cars?
No. Not familiar with those names.

But, they were CA cars. So, if I was gonna make a serious effort to dig up more info on 'em, I'd contact someone with ties to Pontiac racing in that area & time period.

With that in mind, I'd try to contact Tommy Brown. I think I read that he is kin to Gene Brown. As you may know, Gene ran a '58 Pontiac & was also associated with Ramon Lowe, who ran several Pontiacs.

I don't have contact info for Tommy. He may have seen some of those old guys run. Don't know his age. He runs a '74 Lemans Stocker.

For contact info about current, and maybe some older Pontiac racers in CA, I'd contact Leo Glasbrenner @ Remac Transmissions. When I called, he was there & gave me all the info I asked for.

John Schloe is an older, long time Pontiac racer, who may have seen those guys race. May have even raced with 'em. He & his son Ryan still race Pontiac Stockers.

Then there is the Aceves Family. Bob Aceves ran a real strong '68 Bird Stocker, up until a very few years ago. I talked to his brother, or one of the Aceves guys to see if that car was for sale. They are older guys, therefore may know some of the older Pontiac racers.

Art Peterson is an older guy who has been racing the same '69 GTO in SS, for a long time. He probably knows lots of the older CA racers.

Another older long time Pontiac racer is Lindy Lindholm. Have a pic of his '58, way back in the old days.

Larry Maxwell is another long time Pontiac guy, who is still racing.

And, there's John Angeles. He's had drag Pontiacs for years, & co-wrote a couple of Pontiac books. Don't have his contact info. But his daughter Keri has been driving the '69 SS Bird for many years. Here's a link to her FB page. She may have contact info for a LOT of CA Pontiac racers. Probably knew 'em all for the last 30 years or more.

https://www.facebook.com/keri.pari

That should get you some leads. Among all these people there is probably someone who saw those guys race, or knows someone who did. May be able to track down some relatives who may still have pics of the cars.

I ASSUME the NHRA division 7 office MIGHT give you contact info for current div seven permanent number holders, if you tell 'em why you need the info. Not sure tho.

In case you need 'em, here are the last perm numbers I have for some of the CA Pontiac drivers.

Keri Angeles Pari - #788

Art Peterson - #7318

Lindy Lindholm #754

John Schloe - #7003

Tommy Brown - #7265

Bob Aceves - #746

Larry Maxwell - #770

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Old 01-06-2022, 10:18 AM   #10
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Ken Shawver was driving a Olds cutlass when he won the Nationals , I think it is still owned By Greg Fulk from Ohio.
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