Out of the loop in superstock....

[Joey Bohannon]

Then I guess I have on the same horse blinders as you do.

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by Joey Bohannon

Then I guess I have on the same horse blinders as you do.

Did you consult with NHRA before you put them on?

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by jamie2370

A fluid dump valve is not and never has been a part of a transmission. Its new technology.

Ya know, I doubt that you'll find many Racers that are as hard-core as I am when it comes to interpreting the rule book. And I know that I haven't raced in SS since before most of you were born but I still have my SS number so I'm gonna guess that I can comment on this deal.
I've read the rule book on SS auto transmissions and I don't see why a "fluid dump" would be illegal. If you want to start splitting hairs then in reality a transbrake is a "fluid dump" and for that matter, so is an E-shift. NHRA seems much more concerned as to how you're releasing that transbrake then what you're doing with your pump pressure. Now if you are in some way manipulating your pump pressure to cause some kind of a "delay" in your transbrake release then I would think that you're doing something illegal.
Just my $.02.

[Joey Bohannon]

Originally Posted by Sean Cour

Did you consult with NHRA before you put them on?

Nope, Monkey see, Monkey do.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Originally Posted by Joey Bohannon

Lol....the word innovation is sure getting used a lot in place of cheating.

And I don't like being called a minion ...LOL.
If you look at a 1970 rulebook, you won't find sections on vacuum pumps, delay boxes, nitrous oxide, digital recorders, tranny brakes and the long throw buttons, blinders. Even radial tires was a huge step forward. Do you think that every single person that came up with these items (and tons and tons more), were "cheating"? IMO they were just using the rules in place to further their advantage. Eventually, new rules were written to regulate most of them. But they didn't let it go YEARS before implementing new rules. That's the thing here, there's a lot of money laying on the table. Good Lord, you built one yourself right? There's more of these engines out there than anyone's thinking. From multiple engine builders. I've had phone calls from two racers that are in the same boat as the minions camp.

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by FireSale

Sure he didn't say fluid pump?

He might have, my hearing isn’t what it used to be

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya know, I doubt that you'll find many Racers that are as hard-core as I am when it comes to interpreting the rule book. And I know that I haven't raced in SS since before most of you were born but I still have my SS number so I'm gonna guess that I can comment on this deal.
I've read the rule book on SS auto transmissions and I don't see why a "fluid dump" would be illegal. If you want to start splitting hairs then in reality a transbrake is a "fluid dump" and for that matter, so is an E-shift. NHRA seems much more concerned as to how you're releasing that transbrake then what you're doing with your pump pressure. Now if you are in some way manipulating your pump pressure to cause some kind of a "delay" in your transbrake release then I would think that you're doing something illegal.
Just my $.02.

Back to the subject at hand...
Only two rules for S/S automatic transmissions.
(Maybe this is three)

1a,
Must be from the same parent company
1b,
Must bolt to to engine block without an adapter.

2, No centrifugal lock up converter ..i.e , the Griner / Coan unit from 40 years ago.

If some tech person told anyone that they couldn't the fluid path internally, then you probably should have never asked.

[jamie2370]

I agree with all of you. I don't care if the valve is legal or not. I just know that NHRA likes the grey areas to fall on their side of their fence. Hence when they say "if it doesn't say you CAN, then you Can't" . I installed an onboard air compressor system in my stocker(cause i'm horrible at checking tire pressure lol). It doesn't say in the rule book that I CAN have one, nor does it say that I can't have one, but I was told NO in stock, superstock ok but not Stock. GREY area, no specific wording against but also no wording saying its allowed.

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by jamie2370

I agree with all of you. I don't care if the valve is legal or not. I just know that NHRA likes the grey areas to fall on their side of their fence. Hence when they say "if it doesn't say you CAN, then you Can't" . I installed an onboard air compressor system in my stocker(cause i'm horrible at checking tire pressure lol). It doesn't say in the rule book that I CAN have one, nor does it say that I can't have one, but I was told NO in stock, superstock ok but not Stock. GREY area, no specific wording against but also no wording saying its allowed.

Back to the aforementioned......LOGIC........it is comatose.......in Glendora!

[Terry Cain]

Originally Posted by jamie2370

I take that back, th400 and PG. I would love to have one in my stocker. Make the converter loose at the hit so it will 60' and then tighten it up down track to improve ET

People, are working on internal version as we type. AND the dump valve has been around for 70 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydramatic