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Old 11-25-2019, 10:57 AM   #1
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I am not for lowering the index's in stock. I think you would lose some racers that are on the lower end of the qualifying sheet.
For us personally It would be a good thing to have the index lowered, but for the class as a whole, not so much. Lowering the index's would only help the minority. Just my 2 cents
Rod I agree with the index's not being lowered. What do you think about doing something with the AHFS/ Barry
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Old 11-25-2019, 11:19 AM   #2
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Ha Barry. My post was not meant to be negative towards you. I agree most new racers are second or third generation racers. This may be in part because that was the only way they where exposed to the sport. I dont think NHRA does anything to promote Stock/or super stock. Also i see a lot of negative comments on this forum and in person when someone says they want to get into stock.
I agree the system is broken. Yes it is a performance based category

Maybe NHRA should raise the trigger to . 1.15 Under for a review, and 1.25 on automatic hits.
Also maybe not post the averages twice a year. Make it more difficult for people to play the game.
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Old 11-25-2019, 11:48 AM   #3
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[QUOTE=Jim Whitehead;602689]Ha Barry. My post was not meant to be negative towards you. I agree most new racers are second or third generation racers. This may be in part because that was the only way they where exposed to the sport. I dont think NHRA does anything to promote Stock/or super stock. Also i see a lot of negative comments on this forum and in person when someone says they want to get into stock.
I agree the system is broken. Yes it is a performance based category

Maybe NHRA should raise the trigger to . 1.15 Under for a review, and 1.25 on automatic hits.
Also maybe not post the averages twice a year. Make it more difficult for people to play the game.[/QUOTE

Jim I didn't take it as negative. You hit the nail on the head NHRA has done nothing to show they want the average guy or girl to race Stock. I know Billy said they want new blood in the sport but I would have to question what class they want them in. If they think giving us all the after market parts driving the cost to build a competitive stocker up. Lowering the quota's at National Events to where you have to go to 6 or more grade point races. Having chased off so many paying manufactures. We all could go on. Now if that is their business plan for growing our end of the sport maybe it's time they take another look at it. BP
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Old 11-25-2019, 12:23 PM   #4
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Also maybe not post the averages twice a year. Make it more difficult for people to play the game.
What about change it so people can't play the average game?
Only use the 2-3 fastest numbers a year from each racer eng/car combo towards the average.
That could make the averages a little more accurate.
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What about change it so people can't play the average game?
Only use the 2-3 fastest numbers a year from each racer eng/car combo towards the average.
That could make the averages a little more accurate.
Good post, "Mr.Clean" ..Even anonymous keyboard jockeys can have a contribution here LOL
It shows that people are think and contributing in the arena of ideas.

Top four runs per half year.Throw out the fastest . Average the three remaining. Over .95 under, horsepower added.
No lowering the average for hp off. Write a letter , comparing and using examples to make your case. Glendora tech has to get off their a**es and make a judgement. It's not that hard , for anyone who's been around this for a while. I know that a few of us would do it for them..half price!
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Good post, "Mr.Clean" ..Even anonymous keyboard jockeys can have a contribution here LOL
It shows that people are think and contributing in the arena of ideas.

Top four runs per half year.Throw out the fastest . Average the three remaining. Over .95 under, horsepower added.
No lowering the average for hp off. Write a letter , comparing and using examples to make your case. Glendora tech has to get off their a**es and make a judgement. It's not that hard , for anyone who's been around this for a while. I know that a few of us would do it for them..half price!
This is the best idea I have heard so far. Most heavily populated classes have so many slugs that the fast cars couldn't get hit even if they tried. This idea would work.
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This is the best idea I have heard so far. Most heavily populated classes have so many slugs that the fast cars couldn't get hit even if they tried. This idea would work.
This has nothing to do with the class the car runs it had to do with the horsepower factor on the car and engine combo. The AHFS does not change the index on a class except for some of the modified classes in Super Stock. It changes the HP rating of the engine in the body style that it is running. Now it could result in the car having to run a different class if it gets more power added it might have to drop down a class. If power was removed it might move up a class.

All of this has come about from the guys that have been protecting their combo for years don't want to get hit by the AHFS. They want to be able to run all out and not get hit with HP. This is just a ploy by the fast guys to get their way and not pay. None of this is going to help the class get more participation or new blood. It wont help get more heads up races. Most likely it will backfire like everything NHRA has done recently with regard to our classes. Take a look at Comp Eliminator. That class is almost non existent due to similar things that the fast guys want to do to stock and super stock.
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This is the best idea I have heard so far. Most heavily populated classes have so many slugs that the fast cars couldn't get hit even if they tried. This idea would work.
Exactly, Jim.
I wish I could take credit for this one but it was sent to me from another racer.
Not picking on anyone specific here, but this is an LS1 combo that's 40 hp less in this body style.. All those strikes ,and no HP.
This illustrates one of the problems with this system.

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Exactly, Jim.
I wish I could take credit for this one but it was sent to me from another racer.
Not picking on anyone specific here, but this is an LS1 combo that's 40 hp less in this body style.. All those strikes ,and no HP.
This illustrates one of the problems with this system.

I like this idea. Use the fastest time of each car at a event as the data
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Exactly, Jim.
I wish I could take credit for this one but it was sent to me from another racer.
Not picking on anyone specific here, but this is an LS1 combo that's 40 hp less in this body style.. All those strikes ,and no HP.
This illustrates one of the problems with this system.

That's as about as obvious as it gets when it comes to a combo that's way under factored.
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