Coyote blueprint specs changed

[jamie2370]

Basic point is that Mr. Carson is cheating.......... Car did NOT come from Ford with Carbon doors or Lexan windows or heads off a new 5.2 coyote motor from the GT350 motor. Believe me, we have 1 of 3!!! that were produced in 2013(claimed as a correct 14 now). The only white one produced. Actually 1 of 2 because one black one is still at Ford. But when you have an unlimited budget you can get anything approved for the right amount of money. Sad part is now my brother has 18hp put on his combo that NHRA refuses to remove. Bogus engine that should not pass tech got the HP. Any of us do that and we will get expelled from NHRA. Money makes the squeaky wheel quiet..............

[Jim D'Amore]

Originally Posted by jamie2370

Basic point is that Mr. Carson is cheating.......... Car did NOT come from Ford with Carbon doors or Lexan windows or heads off a new 5.2 coyote motor from the GT350 motor. Believe me, we have 1 of 3!!! that were produced in 2013(claimed as a correct 14 now). The only white one produced. Actually 1 of 2 because one black one is still at Ford. But when you have an unlimited budget you can get anything approved for the right amount of money. Sad part is now my brother has 18hp put on his combo that NHRA refuses to remove. Bogus engine that should not pass tech got the HP. Any of us do that and we will get expelled from NHRA. Money makes the squeaky wheel quiet..............

Jamie,

The car does NOT have carbon fiber doors, it does have Poly Carbonate windows which have been approved for 7 years. None of that matters because the car weighs what it has to weigh.

Carson's car has the factory Ford '14 head castings and you are right the pistons do not work with them. But if you use a .015" thicker head gasket and put the pistons .010" deeper in the hole they do work. Just use the factory deck height.

Listen if your brother would have kept his word and not hit the index we would have stayed away from it. But now we are trying to make the car a natural D car which we will do by years end.

We were protested last year at Indy, torn down to the crankshaft. So Division 3, 2, and 1 have all taken this car apart. If you want to call the NHRA tech guys cheaters you can do that, we will not. Tell your brother to learn to keep his word and none of this would have happened.

Jim

[jamie2370]

I will correct one statement I made. It's Fezell's car that you got carbon doors approved for, not Carson's. But Carson's car has CNC heads that are made for a 5.2 gt350 combo. Runners are bigger, Valves are bigger, chamber is smaller. Not even Cobra Jet heads. But YOU got them approved by NHRA. Running a CNC head as the same combo as a car that has as cast heads is absolutely cheating. Just because you got it added to the approved list doesn't make it right. The Tech guys that tear you down just follow the numbers and guidelines set by Upper NHRA. So yeah...it passed. Stock Eliminator is for "as produced" cars. Not "oh this head is way better, lets get it approved even though it didn't come on it from Ford". As far as somebody keeping their word, Jeff's a big boy and will handle that himself. But YOU got 13hp put on the combo with one pass.......... YOU made the average higher, YOU went 1.20 under. So at this point the last 18hp is ALL on YOU. As far as the window deal. It didn't come from Ford with Lexan....

[jamie2370]

And I will quote Charlie Bob.... When he actually wins more than one round of racing in a row against another car he might get some credit....doubt it... but maybe, just maybe. Until then, maybe even after...most likely still after...Ya'll will be hated on this sport. It's hard enough to keep the sport alive but with people like you that are determined to ruin something, it makes it even harder. Who really gives 2 flying F**** about HAVING to be #1 qualifier at a Divisional.

[MPR]

Some one at NHRA had to put their name on changes made to the TI Forms. If they have that much influence in the tech dept then they have control over divisional tech inspectors. The part I don't understand is how these parts were ok'd without Ford Racing knowing about it? Someone should be able to answer this question.
It's not fair for your performance in stock class to be compared to another car built to bogus engine specs. The HP factor should go back to what it was prior to the addition of non production parts usage. The more you look the more dirt you'll find.

[Jim D'Amore]

Originally Posted by jamie2370

I will correct one statement I made. It's Fezell's car that you got carbon doors approved for, not Carson's. But Carson's car has CNC heads that are made for a 5.2 gt350 combo. Runners are bigger, Valves are bigger, chamber is smaller. Not even Cobra Jet heads. But YOU got them approved by NHRA. Running a CNC head as the same combo as a car that has as cast heads is absolutely cheating. Just because you got it added to the approved list doesn't make it right. The Tech guys that tear you down just follow the numbers and guidelines set by Upper NHRA. So yeah...it passed. Stock Eliminator is for "as produced" cars. Not "oh this head is way better, lets get it approved even though it didn't come on it from Ford". As far as somebody keeping their word, Jeff's a big boy and will handle that himself. But YOU got 13hp put on the combo with one pass.......... YOU made the average higher, YOU went 1.20 under. So at this point the last 18hp is ALL on YOU. As far as the window deal. It didn't come from Ford with Lexan....

Again you are wrong, they are as casted OEM '14 heads. Again you are calling NHRA tech officials cheaters, again you are just sticking up for a guy who doesn't work on his own stuff and is SLOW. His engine builder can't figure out how to make him faster, that is not our fault. We are trying to make a D combination so we fit in a class.

Good bye,

Jim

[BRETV]

So why are the guides showing 2013 head 1.25 EX valve and the 2014 showing 1.22 EX valve?? This is gonna be fun!! LOL







Bret Velde
2003 FS/?

[jamie2370]

Bret, it's because the guide is now correct. I am not going to comment anymore on this because everybody knows the story by now. They removed the head(CNC version) that Carson is/was running when he went 1.20 under from the 14 model. So I don't care to argue with him anymore or at all really. People just get really hurt when caught in a lie. I really like how he thinks I am calling the tech guys liars?? Where did I say that. If you handed the tech inspectors a spec sheet and it says the motor should have brodix heads on it, they do their job and check for brodix heads. They didn't write the standards, they just follow them.

[BRETV]

Originally Posted by jamie2370

Bret, it's because the guide is now correct. I am not going to comment anymore on this because everybody knows the story by now. They removed the head(CNC version) that Carson is/was running when he went 1.20 under from the 14 model. So I don't care to argue with him anymore or at all really. People just get really hurt when caught in a lie. I really like how he thinks I am calling the tech guys liars?? Where did I say that. If you handed the tech inspectors a spec sheet and it says the motor should have brodix heads on it, they do their job and check for brodix heads. They didn't write the standards, they just follow them.

Thanks for the info. I'm jumping into the fire, hope I don't get burned!! LOL





Bret Velde
2003 FS/?

[kdanner]

Here is the dirt on the piston & heads. First photo is my piston, which I have found out is in fact the original Mahle piston. This will fit all 11-14 cylinder heads and is the correct piston for all of these combos. So thankfully I don't have to buy new ones.

2nd photo is a piston with magically the same number on it, but quite a difference! It won't fit into the chamber of the BR3E heads used on the 2012 302/325, the 2014 302/350, or the 2011-2014 302/380. However it does fit into the chamber of the Boss 302 head used on the 2013 302/350 and also the 2015-up Gen 2 Coyote heads, as well as the GT350 Voodoo head.

So how was this piston ever legally used when it doesn't fit the correct head?

It goes deeper than this though, Jim absolutely knew what the original and legal piston was, he even posted a photo of it here in 2013: http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...64&postcount=2