FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Jim Bailey

I think it's a positive "start". It addresses a couple issues. Number one - too many classes in Super Stock. Number two - short car counts in Comp. My thought is to continue on, and move other "Modified" classes in Super Stock to Comp to further clean up the SS class, and returning to the more conventional SS Cars. This could also lead to a cleansing in Stock, by making room for the current Super Stock style cars running in Stock to be moved to SS where they belong.....

That's a step in the right direction.Maybe bring back some of the old Modified classes. Be nice seeing gassers, lower class M/P cars, etc. When I quit racing Stock in 2010 I had a few 4+ second handicaps F/S cars were in the mid 9's) it really got your attention when they came by you at the stripe at 60 mph.

[Frito]

I agree with Bucky. Bob Book also just put a nice observation out there also. Out of the 38 SS/AH cars that were out last year only 5 were able to get under 8.40 and 3 of those were at Gainesville where the conditions helped big time. NHRA needs some racers involved with some of their decision making. There are some great technical as well as business people racing that would be happy to lend there expertise. If they really want to keep the 68 Hemi cars racing, let the ones in comp have the option to go to rack & pinion steering and get the center/drag link out of the oil pan .

[ssracer3821]

Is the Warfish for sale? If so - problem solved!

[Mike Jones]

I cant imagine all Comp racers are thrilled with a bigger field as well as making room for the new darlings of Sportsman racing. I would think NHRA would go out of their way to make FS cars very competitive, very quickly, in their new Eliminator. AH index probably needs to be 8.90-.95. Should be interesting.
Mike A114

[Eric Merryfield]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

That's a step in the right direction.Maybe bring back some of the old Modified classes. Be nice seeing gassers, lower class M/P cars, etc. When I quit racing Stock in 2010 I had a few 4+ second handicaps F/S cars were in the mid 9's) it really got your attention when they came by you at the stripe at 60 mph.

The factory car killer, aka the Gremlin would hate to see those F/S leave stock....there is a full cage in the Gremlin now though.....Ed was living a bit dangerously.....

I think its actually the perfect idea. 10 years ago when the initial drag pak applications went out, running one in Comp was part of the idea.

If I had a new F/S car I'd want to do this, no more playing weather god to predict the dial, running people like myself in a god forsaken Gremlin that dials 13 something, just set the car up for kill, kill the tree and play the game downtrack.....whats not to like?

If you own a new FS car, you already have cubic $ into it, this gives you a additional playground to play in....With primo parking at National Events as a free bonus.

Re AH cars if adjusted it too would be a great place for them.

Eric

[Lenny5160]

Stockers and Pro Mods in the same class. Should be fun!

[Chuck Norton]

And, with the essentially non-existent tech/tear-down policy that's in current favor, keeping a lid on those cheating stockers won't be much a real problem. Why worry about the indexes when the only enforcement is a P&G? We'll have mid-seven second AH cars in no time. Could the FS cars run in the sixes?

[Hacksaw]

Originally Posted by Chuck Norton

And, with the essentially non-existent tech/tear-down policy that's in current favor, keeping a lid on those cheating stockers won't be much a real problem. Why worry about the indexes when the only enforcement is a P&G? We'll have mid-seven second AH cars in no time. Could the FS cars run in the sixes?

Think your in left field here. Just for starters: there are other Comp competitors other than AH and FS cars that are legal. When NHRA tech checks, they do more than P&G.

[Chuck Norton]

Originally Posted by Hacksaw

Think your in left field here. Just for starters: there are other Comp competitors other than AH and FS cars that are legal. When NHRA tech checks, they do more than P&G.

My statement may have been unclear but, to restate it more specifically, the thorough teardown of a Stock Eliminator car takes at least ten times as long as is required to P&G a Super Mod or a Street Roadster. All FS cars running in Comp will need to be thoroughly inspected and qualifiers should be subjected to a full teardown. Current practice with regard to teardown is that it happens only a few times per year under the best of circumstances and that's not enough to keep everyone within the fences.

A thorough teardown requires the engine out of the car and the oil pan off. Crankshafts should be inspected, tops of pistons will need to be inspected, cylinder head chambers and runners need to be poured, casting numbers on cylinder heads and camshaft lift need to be verified, blower specifications confirmed, and throttle bores measured. All that is just the tip of the iceberg for making sure that any Stocker is legal. Even a run-of-the-mill Stock teardown involves all those things and more minus the removal of the oil pan. If there is not even at least a remote possibility that these variables will be subjected to inspection it won't be long before the FS cars will be capable of running more than a second under the proposed index and the only thing separating them from a thinly disguised Pro Mod will be the tires. If they get a big tire... I don't think that the Honor System will suffice!

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Chuck Norton

My statement may have been unclear but, to restate it more specifically, the thorough teardown of a Stock Eliminator car takes at least ten times as long as is required to P&G a Super Mod or a Street Roadster. All FS cars running in Comp will need to be thoroughly inspected and qualifiers should be subjected to a full teardown. Current practice with regard to teardown is that it happens only a few times per year under the best of circumstances and that's not enough to keep everyone within the fences.

A thorough teardown requires the engine out of the car and the oil pan off. Crankshafts should be inspected, tops of pistons will need to be inspected, cylinder head chambers and runners need to be poured, casting numbers on cylinder heads and camshaft lift need to be verified, blower specifications confirmed, and throttle bores measured. All that is just the tip of the iceberg for making sure that any Stocker is legal. Even a run-of-the-mill Stock teardown involves all those things and more minus the removal of the oil pan. If there is not even at least a remote possibility that these variables will be subjected to inspection it won't be long before the FS cars will be capable of running more than a second under the proposed index and the only thing separating them from a thinly disguised Pro Mod will be the tires. If they get a big tire... I don't think that the Honor System will suffice!

You nailed it Chuck dead on the money !