“Live from” the NHRA D2 Nat open series at Piedmont

[Dan Fahey]

[QUOTE=james schaechter;566991]Dan, have you tried to contact Rich personally? With IHRA’s demise, the best pure Stocker move is to get together and see if Rich would consider allowing them. I don’t think anyone would have any trouble with PS cars running. I know for a fact that it won’t happen just by posting here. I would think that there would be no downside for the 1/8 mile open series to let them in. Especially to add a few cars. I know a phone call and e mail is a lot more likely then a conversion to a NHRA J/SA

Thanks JAMES!
It is not just the PS cars also the GT Stockers too.
Thankfully the CM guys stepped up to get venues to race in.
CM, GT and PS Rules are the well established, nothing to invent.
There is no down side except for the resistance of a few racers!
More cars, more revenue, more bench racing.

Just sad that there are motivated racers willing to support the sport.
Yet the decision makers decided to shut us out.
IMHO Not a smart business decision!

Before the IHRA announcement there were a handful of people building new Pure Stockers and received questions from others what to do!
My advocacy was working, had a small movement going too!

Converting to Stock costs a lot of money and especially time.
Not just about adding a cam and roll bar.
It is also getting the car to run 7 to 8 tenths under to compete.
If I was 50 years old might feel different.
PS was the perfect venue to get back into Class Racing.
At 67....too much right now to move to Stock.

Had NHRA supported GT, CM and PS a lot more racers would have built them.
They are cost effective low maintenance race cars.
I am not a professional mechanic so takes a lot to be prepared.
Only so much can be done in a driveway under HOA Rules.

Hello out there to Gray, Bobby and Ray!

Peace

[MR DERBY CITY]

[QUOTE=Dan Fahey;567054]

Originally Posted by james schaechter

Dan, have you tried to contact Rich personally? With IHRA’s demise, the best pure Stocker move is to get together and see if Rich would consider allowing them. I don’t think anyone would have any trouble with PS cars running. I know for a fact that it won’t happen just by posting here. I would think that there would be no downside for the 1/8 mile open series to let them in. Especially to add a few cars. I know a phone call and e mail is a lot more likely then a conversion to a NHRA J/SA



Thanks JAMES!
It is not just the PS cars also the GT Stockers too.
Thankfully the CM guys stepped up to get venues to race in.
CM, GT and PS Rules are the well established, nothing to invent.
There is no down side except for the resistance of a few racers!
More cars, more revenue, more bench racing.

Just sad that there are motivated racers willing to support the sport.
Yet the decision makers decided to shut us out.
IMHO Not a smart business decision!

Before the IHRA announcement there were a handful of people building new Pure Stockers and received questions from others what to do!
My advocacy was working, had a small movement going too!

Converting to Stock costs a lot of money and especially time.
Not just about adding a cam and roll bar.
It is also getting the car to run 7 to 8 tenths under to compete.
If I was 50 years old might feel different.
PS was the perfect venue to get back into Class Racing.
At 67....too much right now to move to Stock.

Had NHRA supported GT, CM and PS a lot more racers would have built them.
They are cost effective low maintenance race cars.
I am not a professional mechanic so takes a lot to be prepared.
Only so much can be done in a driveway under HOA Rules.

Hello out there to Gray, Bobby and Ray!

Peace

Sorry, it’s not NHRA s job to support GT,CM,and PS. ....1 800 FLOWERS.....I need your address......LOL...........

[Dan Fahey]

[QUOTE=MR DERBY CITY;567056]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Sorry, it’s not NHRA s job to support GT,CM,and PS. ....1 800 FLOWERS.....I need your address......LOL...........

Actually yes it is !
They are being smart enough to support the CM’s..
GT and PS would have added 8-10 more cars.
The trend before IHRA dropped Class Racing was to build a non-traditional Stocker!
Had NHRA participated it would have doubled over night.

Importantly, it is a revenue issue!
Tracks run on narrow margins to stay profitable.
An additional 10 cars would help with Pit Fees.
Plus racers bring family and other spectators.
They buy things at the track, like Fuel, food, stuff!
Figure around $4000 more revenue just from the Stockers.

If you had a big bracket race they would have had twice the cars.
It is all about filling Pit Space!

Why limit your revenue intake denying other Stockers and SS?
NHRA has lots of money.
Not so with smaller tracks they are supposed to support!

IMHO NHRA is shooting their nose off despite their face.
Ok cool, handful of National and Divisional races have large draw of cars.
Participation is so large, racers have pre qualification rules to attend.

Not so with vast majority of other tracks....and this is ignored!
They struggle when it comes to supporting Class Racing.

In the Consulting world there is another term called Butts in Seats...
Class Racing it is Racers in Pit Space.

D

[jimmyparker]

Dan, we log on to this thread to see how our friends and fellow racers are doing at this particular race, not to read your incessant whining about a class that is long gone. You are old enough to remember that in '72 we were forced to convert our stockers to SS or the NEW pure stock class which went away in two or three years as we gradually got back to traditional stockers, so much for pure stock. Just be thankful that you didn't build a pro stock truck. I'm guessing you have much more money in an Impala SS pure stocker than many of our middle and lower class stock racers have in their stocker and probably some super stockers, just convert and move on or quit would be my suggestion.
One question, you live 100's of miles from these Div II events, tell us how many of them you would have made if they had run pure stock?


My two cents or YOUR subject, take a break.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by jimmyparker

Dan, we log on to this thread to see how our friends and fellow racers are doing at this particular race, not to read your incessant whining about a class that is long gone. You are old enough to remember that in '72 we were forced to convert our stockers to SS or the NEW pure stock class which went away in two or three years as we gradually got back to traditional stockers, so much for pure stock. Just be thankful that you didn't build a pro stock truck. I'm guessing you have much more money in an Impala SS pure stocker than many of our middle and lower class stock racers have in their stocker and probably some super stockers, just convert and move on or quit would be my suggestion.
One question, you live 100's of miles from these Div II events, tell us how many of them you would have made if they had run pure stock?


My two cents or YOUR subject, take a break.

Last year attended Piedmont and Farmington Point Meets.
Been to Darlington and Costal Plains before.
Would have gone again if NHRA had PS.
Could have hooked up with Bobby Butler and Ray Grice.
Maybe Gbur would have made the trip too.
Would have offered to be a Contingincy Sponsor again!
Plus there are other PS lurking in D2.
It is about supporting the Sport...

As for PS...it is the same Stock Eliminator Rules before ......
........becoming Pure Super Stock!

NHRA D2 would have lost $$ if they did not include CM.
As Gary said 40% were CM.
If NHRA included GT and PS it would had added to the count!.
Same as other IHRA meets!

Has anyone noticed CM owners are not rushing to become NHRA Stockers.
How come you are not bashing on them?

Duane..!
Wishing your Dad a quick recovery!
Mine passed away over a year ago!

[HR9121]

Dan they actually had the same amount of cars for this race as they did last year even despite not having the 3 PS cars. 1 less CM car than last year, maybe the CM guys are working on a legal NHRA combo or maybe they're not but who knows they're not the ones up here crying to get the rules changed in their favor.
You say NHRA would be lost money if they didn't come but you forget they don't have to do any of this, its not some sort of government assistance program. And lastly as was already pointed out it was not 40% of the field it was 28%!

[KEN BUGAJ]

Originally Posted by HR9121

Dan they actually had the same amount of cars for this race as they did last year even despite not having the 3 PS cars. 1 less CM car than last year, maybe the CM guys are working on a legal NHRA combo or maybe they're not but who knows they're not the ones up here crying to get the rules changed in their favor.
You say NHRA would be lost money if they didn't come but you forget they don't have to do any of this, its not some sort of government assistance program. And lastly as was already pointed out it was not 40% of the field it was 28%!

The holiday weekend messed it up a bit, I know three Longhaney cars were missing, Jim Marshall was on tour in Epping. Terry Taylor, Tim Sloan , Bill Plage, Cody Phillips, Brandon Peterson Hillery Sloan have already changed over to a NHRA stocker, there's at least another six or seven crate motor cars that didn't race. Give it some time. 👍

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Last year attended Piedmont and Farmington Point Meets.

So, you are saying that if the NHRA would be willing to change their rules you will support their events. But, you barely supported the IHRA........

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by GUMP

So, you are saying that if the NHRA would be willing to change their rules you will support their events. But, you barely supported the IHRA........

GUMP
What are you talking about?
I ran every IHRA race I could get to last year.
Empire, Keystone, Piedmont, Farmington, MIR !
Plus a Contingency Sponsor for the Pure Stock Challenge..
What the hell you want ??

To answer your question
Yes I will support NHRA if they run the Pure Stockers and GT cars.
Would have made time to show up and so would have the others.
Would have paid NHRA fees to become an NHRA Contingency Sponsor.
I am not a passive sideline barker name-calling complainer.
It is about supporting the sport..!

It is tough to plan going to these events and dealing with commitments.
NHRA just plain erased decades of historic drag racing classes.

Before the IHRA blow-up, people were building and planning to build Pure Stocker for 2018.

Like Field of Dreams.....You build it they will come !

Despite all those that converted to NHRA Stockers.
At Piedmont a third of the cars were CM.
GT and PS would have pushed that past 50%

Ed Carpenter;
Eventually will have to convert to Stock to run Divisional Meets.
Found a place to get a proper Roll Bar installed....

For now happy and grateful with what I have.
Yeah it is about having fun !!

Dan

D

[HR9121]

Dan just think of the money you wasted building your pure stocker, if you would have took that money and used it towards a traditional stocker you would have been over half way there. You get up here complaining about what NHRA should do for you but I have seen countless people try to help you on this board but you consistently ignore their advice. Kind of like your transmission, I even replyed to pm me if you wanted a good 200 that I was practically going to give to you but you never even attempted to contact me. Which by the way I sold it for $1200 dollars to a young man trying to improve his performance so I helped him out. You get up here and brag about refereeing soccer all day but now you're suddenly now you're too old to build a real sticker, get real man. Fact is Dan class racing is just not for you, you need a sport that has an "easy" button. Its like this, get off your *** and fix your car to current rules or get off this board with your childish rants every day about how NHRA is not treating you right! Everyone is sick of it!