Fontana divisional rumor

[onestocker]

Originally Posted by Mike Graham

Who ever you are?
You don't know me. You have no idea When and where I race. I don't need to test. I enjoy it. We race both cars at the summit and ADRA races and support multiple combo associations. Having a 3 day race does not require you to attend all 3 days. Some very successful racers show up Sat for one hit and then go racing. That is your OPTION. Going to 2 days takes away my OPTION of showing up early. I have no problem with the track making a profit. If they don't we will not have a place to race. If they are not making a profit then raise the price. Anyone that believes that the $170 that it costs to enter one these races is a significant percentage of the cost to race is either very efficient or delusional. I am going with delusional.
Things go wrong at races, so when you compress the schedule there is no time to recover. Track prep will suffer. Safety will suffer. The fun factor will suffer. If this works then great. D7,Fontana,1 day, I don't think so. I choose to sit this one out.

if the entry fees bother you look at other venues the weekend after the divisional theirs a big dollar bracket race 3 races that pay 3k 4.5k 4.5k for 325$ 3 races that pay more then the divisional that cost only 108$ per race sounds like a lot more fun with a lot more opportunity's to win

[Mike Graham]

Originally Posted by onestocker

you couldn't say it better yourself who are you? you seemed to take it upon yourself to bash Justin assuming he has some big crew that works on all his stuff that he just flys in and flys out to races shows up and races
do you know him? do you know his schedule? maybe he also enjoys working on his stuff and testing as you stated you like to do yourself

If you would actually read both posts you would not see anywhere I bashed Justin. Just stating my opinion on 2 day races. On the other hand he did question my commitment to NHRA racing without checking the facts. Like I said, not bashing Justin. (you on the other hand, that might be fun)

[onestocker]

Originally Posted by Mike Graham

If you would actually read both posts you would not see anywhere I bashed Justin. Just stating my opinion on 2 day races. On the other hand he did question my commitment to NHRA racing without checking the facts. Like I said, not bashing Justin. (you on the other hand, that might be fun)

then i apologize but it seemed like you were

[novassdude]

I think 2 days on Saturday and Sunday is fine if they have a test and tune Friday it is pretty much like a 3 day race. I do disagree with having Friday Saturday 2 day races. That hurts the working guy trying to make the races.

[Jim Caughlin]

Originally Posted by novassdude

I think 2 days on Saturday and Sunday is fine if they have a test and tune Friday it is pretty much like a 3 day race. I do disagree with having Friday Saturday 2 day races. That hurts the working guy trying to make the races.

Explain to me how this is the same? Under this situation, you have to pay the extra test and tune fee to get the runs on Friday that used to be included in the previous three day entry fee plus they don't count toward qualifying and that's fair?

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

[Mike Rice]

At almost all D7 LODRS events, racers in each category get three qualifying/time trial runs. This event's expected car count (based on previous years) is such that we can accomplish this in a single day and allow for all eliminations on Sunday (no Saturday first rounds for fields over 64). This WAS done to help racers with saving time off and lowering the overall cost of competing in this event/series. I spoke with a number of racers about this last year explaining that I wanted to try and do a couple more events in this format to help everyone and hopefully increase participation a bit. Nobody I spoke with was against this idea.

Will the track make a little more $$? I certainly hope so as they are saving a day of insurance, wages, track prep materials, etc. Will it make NHRA more money? Not really, as the amount saved by not having a few tech personnel on Thursday, plus the associated costs (wages, hotel, etc.) will most likely be offset by running an extra three hours with a full crew on Saturday, and possibly make Sunday a little longer as well.

For those that haven't noticed, we've also made some changes at the previous two events to try and grow participation in the SST and SMC categories by only having one run on Friday and two Saturday. While I didn't expect an overnight increase, I'm still positive that this format will increase those classes going forward.

The events at Phoenix and Las Vegas have car counts large enough that this format would not work. For those events that this would work, I can't see any negative it. I appreciate all comments as to why you would be for/against, just want to make sure that facts are laid out as Kyle did.

Mike

[Ed Wright]

At our three day points races, several guys just show up Sat morning, that could not get off work for Friday. Why should the guys that can be there Friday be penalized?

[Huffster]

Mike, Thanks for the response but why does a crew member pass still cost the same when you are losing a day of racing

[Mike Gray]

Originally Posted by D7D

At almost all D7 LODRS events, racers in each category get three qualifying/time trial runs. This event's expected car count (based on previous years) is such that we can accomplish this in a single day and allow for all eliminations on Sunday (no Saturday first rounds for fields over 64). This WAS done to help racers with saving time off and lowering the overall cost of competing in this event/series. I spoke with a number of racers about this last year explaining that I wanted to try and do a couple more events in this format to help everyone and hopefully increase participation a bit. Nobody I spoke with was against this idea.

Will the track make a little more $$? I certainly hope so as they are saving a day of insurance, wages, track prep materials, etc. Will it make NHRA more money? Not really, as the amount saved by not having a few tech personnel on Thursday, plus the associated costs (wages, hotel, etc.) will most likely be offset by running an extra three hours with a full crew on Saturday, and possibly make Sunday a little longer as well.

For those that haven't noticed, we've also made some changes at the previous two events to try and grow participation in the SST and SMC categories by only having one run on Friday and two Saturday. While I didn't expect an overnight increase, I'm still positive that this format will increase those classes going forward.

The events at Phoenix and Las Vegas have car counts large enough that this format would not work. For those events that this would work, I can't see any negative it. I appreciate all comments as to why you would be for/against, just want to make sure that facts are laid out as Kyle did.

Mike

This was the way I remember it back in the 80's and 90's. I would leave Friday after work (LA area) and I could make any Division 7 track by 1 or 2 am catch some sleep in the truck, tech Saturday morning 3 time trials and race on Sunday. Head home Sunday afternoon and be back early enough to get some sleep before work on Monday. No time off from work except when I went to Nationals.
When did it change?
I guess I would be one not to ask what is best because I'm going to retire in 19 months and it looks like the new car won't be completed until then. Just keep the tracks open and I'll be there any day.

[novassdude]

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin

Explain to me how this is the same? Under this situation, you have to pay the extra test and tune fee to get the runs on Friday that used to be included in the previous three day entry fee plus they don't count toward qualifying and that's fair?

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

Jim notice I said pretty much the same not the same. Is it perfect nope but in My opinion (witch means absolutely nothing) it is at least better than the Friday Saturday 2 day plan.