Aftermarket/Replacement Cylinder Head Rule Change

[Chuck Norton]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Not when I was working for IHRA but that was a long time ago.

No system, regardless of how carefully it is designed and how thoughtfully it is implemented, can long survive a period of either benign or pernicious neglect. There are sufficient numbers of individuals who are intent on gaining an advantage by any means available to render even the most comprehensive rule book irrelevant practically overnight. This is especially true of the Rules of Engagement in Stock Eliminator.

[GallopinGhost]

well said, as is un-comfortable or satisfying it may be.

[Ed Carpenter]

I know two SS racers who switched to aluminum heads over the winter and both slow d down........their not happy either 😳

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by chuck norton

no system, regardless of how carefully it is designed and how thoughtfully it is implemented, can long survive a period of either benign or pernicious neglect. There are sufficient numbers of individuals who are intent on gaining an advantage by any means available to render even the most comprehensive rule book irrelevant practically overnight. This is especially true of the rules of engagement in stock eliminator.

amen !!

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by Chuck Norton

No system, regardless of how carefully it is designed and how thoughtfully it is implemented, can long survive a period of either benign or pernicious neglect. There are sufficient numbers of individuals who are intent on gaining an advantage by any means available to render even the most comprehensive rule book irrelevant practically overnight. This is especially true of the Rules of Engagement in Stock Eliminator.

Yes. And both Stock a Super Stock rules are under constant attack for advantage. Edelbrock pn 60947 heads that were accepted last year for the SBC and the current Jones Engineering heads for SS are angle plug heads. Even though NHRA rules specifically state that the spark plug angles cannot be changed and NO Chevrolet small block V8 EVER came off an assembly line with angle plug heads. Can you imagine a 327-275hp engine in Stock Eliminator with angle plug aluminum heads??? Write your division director, the national tech department, the NHRA national techincal vice-president, the NHRA CEO, your mother and any one else you can think of to object. Such actions and decisions will destroy the eliminators faster than you can imagine.

One of the candidates for a replacement head for Pontiac round port was a head made by Kaufman Racing. Everything was a go but Bruce rejected it because of angled spark plugs. Guess that is not a problem anymore as long as you race a Chevrolet.

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Yes. And both Stock a Super Stock rules are under constant attack for advantage. Edelbrock pn 60947 heads that were accepted last year for the SBC and the current Jones Engineering heads for SS are angle plug heads. Even though NHRA rules specifically state that the spark plug angles cannot be changed and NO Chevrolet small block V8 EVER came off an assembly line with angle plug heads. Can you imagine a 327-275hp engine in Stock Eliminator with angle plug aluminum heads??? Write your division director, the national tech department, the NHRA national techincal vice-president, the NHRA CEO, your mother and any one else you can think of to object. Such actions and decisions will destroy the eliminators faster than you can imagine.

[Dan Fahey]

This is where I will miss the IHRA Pure Stock.
Basically the Old Stock Eliminator Rules.

Seems about that same time in Class Racing.
NASCAR Stock Cars had less and less original components!
Now not one part in modern day Stock Car ever fit on a Production Car.

Same with our car.
We need Roll Bars, special suspensions, more safety equipment, certification of helmets and seat belts, special fuel.
Cannot even use pump gas anymore.

Crate Motors were always a natural fit.
Replacement engines were always common.
Did not morphed the Stock Eliminator concept.
Sometimes you are stuck with a combination.
Old parts become problematic!
Plus opened up a vendor base.

We may not want another class but new ones are always being invented.
The RAGE of Racers complaining they do not want a new class.
New ones keep popping up.
Which means Stock Eliminator has to compete for Racers who choose to run those classes.

Current rules restrict inviting the new generation of Racer to play in our sand box.

You do not do not see many 20 - 30 year olds.
Do see 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s and passing away.

IHRA had the right idea with their Class Eliminator set up.
Had NHRA adopted the IHRA structure.
There would have been shift from traditional Stock.


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[Rory McNeil]

Here we go again!

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

This is where I will miss the IHRA Pure Stock.
Basically the Old Stock Eliminator Rules.



Crate Motors were always a natural fit.
Replacement engines were always common.
Did not morphed the Stock Eliminator concept.

"Key word is WERE! IHRA decided to drop the Stock classes. Maybe if IHRA HAD morphed into NHRA Stock classes and rules,perhaps there would have been enough contestents that IHRA would have considered Stock to be viable still."

Current rules restrict inviting the new generation of Racer to play in our sand box.


"How exactly does expecting "the new generation of racers" to follow the same rules and procedures as all the other Stock class racers have to, restrict these new generation racers from playing in NHRAs sandbox?"
You do not do not see many 20 - 30 year olds.
Do see 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s and passing away.

"From what I have seen, the vast majority of 20-30 year olds simply do not care about cars, or racing at all. When I was 15, I was counting down the days until I could turn 16 and get my learners permit, and hopefully, my own car. This just does not seem to be the case anymore, at least in more populated areas. cars are simply not a high priority for many younger people, modifying and racing even less so. I don`t think that radically changing the status quo, for the thousands of faithful racers that have participated in Stock or S/S for many years is the answer."

IHRA had the right idea with their Class Eliminator set up.
Had NHRA adopted the IHRA structure.
There would have been shift from traditional Stock.


"Had NHRA followed IHRAs "right idea" structure, maybe there would no longer be Stock classes in NHRA either. From the number of NHRA racers on this site, looking to hopefully find a spot in a National Event with a full quota, and the 1000`s of Stock Class racers that attend NHRA Nat`l & divisional races, the NHRA Stock & S/S classes still seem to be pretty viable."


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[ppmracing]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

One of the candidates for a replacement head for Pontiac round port was a head made by Kaufman Racing. Everything was a go but Bruce rejected it because of angled spark plugs. Guess that is not a problem anymore as long as you race a Chevrolet.

When we tryed to get the aftermarket heads leagal for the Mopar BB , we first got the Mopar performance 452-A heads leagal for SS onley. At that time their was no way that the Edlebrock could be legal for Stock/ SS, because off onley one thing, their was angel spark plugs. Bruce told us now way ! Then after a year or so Edelbrock came with a straight plug style, and it was ok.
But that was a Mopar, not a Chevy !.

[Mark Yacavone]

How much are angle plugs worth on a SBC SS'er ? Not looking for conjecture.
Real world only, please.