New Rule Revision For Stock and S/S

[Carguy49]

Travis, good info given to racers is NEVER a waste of time. The real joke is how some people misuse the information given to them.

Even though I don't race anymore, I am still involved in the sport as much as I can be. The integrity of most people is what makes this sport what it is. Some people just don't know when to listen when good info is given to them.

[Adger Smith]

Travis,
I am in the process of a long term SS build and your information came at a very opportune time. It would have probably cost me money & time if you hadn't posted the info. This forum is home to many that don't have a dog in the fight and just stir the pot, but some of us lurk and even participate here for the good information.
Thanks for participating and providing important information.

[Gary Merrick]

Thanks Travis, most racers appreciate all the information that YOU give to us.

Please keep up the good work!!!!!!

Thanks again,

Gary Merrick
3522 Stock

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Travis Miller

This thread was not meant to be a joke. I originally posted it to give racers a heads up about the new rule revision that had to do with Stock and S/S interiors. But I see that was a waste of time so in the future instead of letting racers know about something that will effect them, I guess they will have to find out on their own. And I will not take up any more of your time.

Travis I also thank you for your post, but to Steve's comment about 6pt roll bars in all Stock/Super Stockers, I hope you all leave the current rules for that as they are, and as Dwight said anyone can put a roll bar in their car if they choose. My car is already 60-80lbs heavy with all of the legal weight removed. My rear seat stays, because a 4pt bar would be heavier than it.

Steve, if you want to add a 6pt roll bar to your car go for it, as Dwight mentioned. I am more concerned with driving around 18 wheelers on the highway, than being chased by an 8 second stocker. If their car stays tight and the track is prepped right, they should stay in their own lane as I would mine barring any unforseen situations.

Travis what I would rather see, is not just what Mark suggested, or those who spoke about the unqualified FS/XX cars run in Comp or even Super Stock, but that NHRA would bring back FF/S, and allow the Current EF/S cars two run in the slower class with their current index. Then allow V6 cars (like mine) another class to move down to, that would have a more favorable minimum weight/index. There originally was 16 classes A-H for fwd stockers, and that was hatched down to 5 (6 once the Supercharged Cobalts and Neon SRT's were made). I vote for adding FF and GF/S back, and leaving roll bar rules as they are! My .02

Bottom line Travis, I thank you for your news on the seat rule, and I will likely keep my stock seats, but I will certainly compliment my driver's seat, with an equal passenger side seat if I get to that point of replacing them....

[Dean Feiock]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

My car is already 60-80lbs heavy with all of the legal weight removed.

I will likely keep my stock seats, but I will certainly compliment my driver's seat, with an equal passenger side seat if I get to that point of replacing them....

These two sentences contradict each other. You do not have "all the legal weight removed" if you are still carrying around factory seats.

Perhaps there is more "legal weight" to remove that you have not found yet?

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Dean Feiock

These two sentences contradict each other. You do not have "all the legal weight removed" if you are still carrying around factory seats.

Perhaps there is more "legal weight" to remove that you have not found yet?

That is true as long as you're including the seats, but I'm talking about other parts of my car. Some day when I gain some more non-racing funding, I'll look into the cost/installation of those seats (now that I know I'd have to replace both of them if I replace one), but now isn't that time. Since my car is competitive as it is, I'm in no hurry, but the truth of it being that much overweight is such for now.

[The Hawk]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

That is true as long as you're including the seats, but I'm talking about other parts of my car. Some day when I gain some more non-racing funding, I'll look into the cost/installation of those seats (now that I know I'd have to replace both of them if I replace one), but now isn't that time. Since my car is competitive as it is, I'm in no hurry, but the truth of it being that much overweight is such for now.

Maybe write another letter for HP reduction?

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by The Hawk

Maybe write another letter for HP reduction?

Thanks Lane, but since they dropped the fwd stocker classes from 16 to 5, and only added a new class at the top AAF/S, the only thing that will help my cause (short of my winning a five digit $20k + Publishers Clearing House prize), is the return of EF/S to V6 racers, by also bringing FF/S back for 4cyl stockers.

I hope Travis reads this, and brings it up with his fellow rules makers. Just like with humans, adding weight to a car is easier and less expensive, than losing weight is (especially since nobody makes 20" slicks for 14" wheels anymore also).

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by The Hawk

Maybe write another letter for HP reduction?

Thanks Lane, but since they dropped the fwd stocker classes from 16 to 5, and only added a new class at the top AAF/S, the only thing that will help my cause (short of my winning a five digit $20k + Publishers Clearing House prize), is the return of EF/S to V6 racers, by also bringing FF/S back for 4cyl stockers.

I hope Travis reads this, and brings it up with his fellow rules makers. Just like with humans, adding weight to a car is easier and less expensive, than losing weight is.

[GarysZ24]

Hi Lane,

I (thanks to a post about the IHRA), just realized another thing that would help me and many other racers with regards to the "Stock/Super Stock Slow Averages". I wish NHRA would revert back to the Stock/Super Stock altitude correction factors they used prior to the change they made several years ago. The harder factor they've used since the early part of this decade (plus dropping all Stock/Super Stock indexes .3sec), made (for example) the Bandimere Speedway index for DF/S drop from 17.14 to 16.59! I don't remember why this was done, and maybe Travis can shed some light on why those changes were made, but I hope those changes will be reversed given the added fwd stocker class(es) on the lower end will likely not happen....this probably won't either, but I hope there are many more racers besides me who struggle with the indexes at altitude tracks, that'll give NHRA just cause to reconsider their changes from either earlier this decade, or the previous one?