Mr. Jeff and his pink Challenger

[MR DERBY CITY]

Nice plan guys but I guess someone FORGOT to tell The Jim's that they were supposed to run B/SA .

[Larry Hill]

J Allen is the fast car that I think Jimmy can't deal with, heck I got beat by a really good '62 car. I am just in the way! But we are working on it.

Originally Posted by Jared Jordan

2013 6.4L street legal version defactored to 380 hp.

Wow! How did this get by NHRA? FS/?

[khelms]

Hey Barry. The pink car is a SRT8 392 or 6.4 (metric) combo. There have been appox. 40000 avg. per year Showroom cars built since 2008...IE STOCKERS/ Superstockers, built per year. That is about 40000 percent more cars than than all the bigs have built of 67-9 camaros (which I still own) 70-72, cuda challengers or 67-70 Mustangs. And as far as the defactoring, If you want the fictitious NHRA factor...........@ 485 per, would put it the same as my 426 Combo. I can tell you all because I actually Dyno all our stuff that it is at least 260HP behind our old 426 NHRA Combo rated at 490, because I hit it at INDY. ........We got out run at Vegas heads up and it pissed me off.....so instead of typing, we went to work and tested, and gained a tenth to the 1/8.....

[Greg Hill]

Hey Kevin, congratulations on your fourth Stock championship. I think it's really cool that Jeff built this car and painted it to increase awareness of breast cancer and in tribute to his wife. My question still stands though. How do you get 105 hp off a combination without ever going down the track? Look at the specs on that 392 Hemi motor. That thing is really good. It made 485 hp through the mufflers and cats with all the accessories hooked up, SAE net hp. This kind of deal is what made most of us angry about the new factory race cars in our class.

Look at the competition in B/SA. Allen's car is probably the fastest right now, but it's rated 40 hp less than the Camaros and Firebirds. Jim Boudreaux's car is the fastest of the old cars, 396-375 rated at 405. Maybe 485 is too much for the 392, but my guess is 380 is really soft. The other combination for that car is the 5.7 Hemi, factory rated at 375, defactored to 300. That combination should be better than the LS 1's which is 382 in the Camaro and Firebirds. I don't understand how these kinds of things get done.

One more thing is that the hood on the pink car only came on a 2010 SRT Challenger which came with a 5.7 motor only. You guys with the 69 Camaros that had the cowl hoods might want to point this out.

Originally Posted by khelms

Hey Barry. The pink car is a SRT8 392 or 6.4 (metric) combo. There have been appox. 40000 avg. per year Showroom cars built since 2008...IE STOCKERS/ Superstockers, built per year. That is about 40000 percent more cars than than all the bigs have built of 67-9 camaros (which I still own) 70-72, cuda challengers or 67-70 Mustangs. And as far as the defactoring, If you want the fictitious NHRA factor...........@ 485 per, would put it the same as my 426 Combo. I can tell you all because I actually Dyno all our stuff that it is at least 260HP behind our old 426 NHRA Combo rated at 490, because I hit it at INDY. ........We got out run at Vegas heads up and it pissed me off.....so instead of typing, we went to work and tested, and gained a tenth to the 1/8......Any Questions?????

Thanks for the reply Kevin and I know you work your *** off building HP, racing and I can appreciate that. Congrats on the Championship. I am not the only one who has questions regarding this combo but thanks for clearing up some of the questions. I don't get on here much and when I do it is to congratulate or ask questions. No disrespect intended. Happy Holidays.

[khelms]

Thanks for the Congrats Greg. It is a good combo since we have been beating on it. We didnt know this in advance. All we knew was that it looked good on paper. The problem is, where do we start new combos and who comes up with the magic numbers. . If you put this in the guide at 485hp then nobody builds one.The 392 will be getting a hp hit at year end. Everyone Have a great off season.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

One more thing is that the hood on the pink car only came on a 2010 SRT Challenger which came with a 5.7 motor only. You guys with the 69 Camaros that had the cowl hoods might want to point this out.

It was actually called a "Mopar 10" which, as the "10" designates, was a 2010 model year only with a 5.7L Hemi. The 6.4L Hemi didn't come out until 2011, and I believe the pink car is being run as a 2013. The 2010 SRT had a 6.1L Hemi but did not come with the Mopar hood either.

Mopar 10:

[khelms]

Thanks Barry. No disrespect taken here. Greg, on the hood deal, I will see if Jeff can get the package # for you. I know you can order them with a new car, but yes , it did become availible in 2010. They also have a cool looking Shaker hood package. We are running the pink car as a 2013 model

[Jeff Teuton]

Now you know why I brought the dealer build manual for Challengers to Indy. I can give you the code for that hood if you like. It was ok with NHRA. Fact is very few sold. Mostly the shaker hood. My next showroom car (blue) will have a flat hood. Feel better now. Neither of the hoods (t/a or shaker) work worth a crap, maybe hurt. I really thought I finished with that damn hood in Indy.