SS Modified

[Dean Feiock]

Originally Posted by randy wilson

Far too simple and easy to understand. Never happen. It needs to be way more complicated to have anyone take a close look.

That's a rather pompous statement!

The fact is that there are a select few that have been pushing the spec motor class for a VERY long time. Any post they can get their foot in the door, off they go on their rant about how much better a spec motor class would be.

Well here are a couple news flashes for you:
1) All S and SS classes are already spec motor classes. And year after year, the costs go up. WHY you ask? Because people constantly push the envelope. If someone is willing to spend 10K on a set of heads, what does that do to the rest of the field? I'll tell you what it does. It takes them out of contention or it forces them to spend the money to keep up.

2) If you think adding a spec head will solve anything, the only one you are fooling is yourself. The dirt track guys have been working around the spec head issues for years. They know how to port around the runner markings. They also buy pallet loads of heads and flow all of them to pick out the best ones. WHY? Because the spec head rule is just another rule builders and racers must work around. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to spend money to be faster than the next guy. And that forces the next guy to spend money. And then the next guy.... And in the end, everyone is spending more money because of the spec head rule.

3) I don't see how you draw a link between dwindling spectators and the lack of heads up runs. Spectators just don't care about drag racing anymore. There isn't enough drama in it. OH, heck yeah, they will sit at home and scream at the TV watching their favorite episode of street morons. Or sit through the dirt of a roundy round short track race to see who takes out who on turn 4. But they really have no interest in watching two cars race down a safe race track.

4) As for new blood in the sport, that's pretty simple. The cost is a big one. Unless you have a great sponsor OR you own a profitable business, how do you think anyone can enter this sport? And time off to race is probably the next biggest obstacle. Who gets 3-4 weeks vacation a year to spend on racing? How you think a 20 to 35 year old person, with a home, a family, most likely some student loans and car payments.....can spend the money it takes to finance a decent car and go racing for 3-4 weeks a year?

Lastly, did you actually intend to use a comma rather the an apostrophe in your signature? That is to say it should be "don't" instead of "don,t"

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by Dean Feiock

That's a rather pompous statement!

The fact is that there are a select few that have been pushing the spec motor class for a VERY long time. Any post they can get their foot in the door, off they go on their rant about how much better a spec motor class would be.

Well here are a couple news flashes for you:
1) All S and SS classes are already spec motor classes. And year after year, the costs go up. WHY you ask? Because people constantly push the envelope. If someone is willing to spend 10K on a set of heads, what does that do to the rest of the field? I'll tell you what it does. It takes them out of contention or it forces them to spend the money to keep up.

2) If you think adding a spec head will solve anything, the only one you are fooling is yourself. The dirt track guys have been working around the spec head issues for years. They know how to port around the runner markings. They also buy pallet loads of heads and flow all of them to pick out the best ones. WHY? Because the spec head rule is just another rule builders and racers must work around. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to spend money to be faster than the next guy. And that forces the next guy to spend money. And then the next guy.... And in the end, everyone is spending more money because of the spec head rule.

3) I don't see how you draw a link between dwindling spectators and the lack of heads up runs. Spectators just don't care about drag racing anymore. There isn't enough drama in it. OH, heck yeah, they will sit at home and scream at the TV watching their favorite episode of street morons. Or sit through the dirt of a roundy round short track race to see who takes out who on turn 4. But they really have no interest in watching two cars race down a safe race track.

4) As for new blood in the sport, that's pretty simple. The cost is a big one. Unless you have a great sponsor OR you own a profitable business, how do you think anyone can enter this sport? And time off to race is probably the next biggest obstacle. Who gets 3-4 weeks vacation a year to spend on racing? How you think a 20 to 35 year old person, with a home, a family, most likely some student loans and car payments.....can spend the money it takes to finance a decent car and go racing for 3-4 weeks a year?

Lastly, did you actually intend to use a comma rather the an apostrophe in your signature? That is to say it should be "don't" instead of "don,t"

Yep, this about sums it up. Great post!

[randy wilson]

Originally Posted by Dean Feiock

That's a rather pompous statement!

The fact is that there are a select few that have been pushing the spec motor class for a VERY long time. Any post they can get their foot in the door, off they go on their rant about how much better a spec motor class would be.

Well here are a couple news flashes for you:
1) All S and SS classes are already spec motor classes. And year after year, the costs go up. WHY you ask? Because people constantly push the envelope. If someone is willing to spend 10K on a set of heads, what does that do to the rest of the field? I'll tell you what it does. It takes them out of contention or it forces them to spend the money to keep up.

2) If you think adding a spec head will solve anything, the only one you are fooling is yourself. The dirt track guys have been working around the spec head issues for years. They know how to port around the runner markings. They also buy pallet loads of heads and flow all of them to pick out the best ones. WHY? Because the spec head rule is just another rule builders and racers must work around. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to spend money to be faster than the next guy. And that forces the next guy to spend money. And then the next guy.... And in the end, everyone is spending more money because of the spec head rule.

3) I don't see how you draw a link between dwindling spectators and the lack of heads up runs. Spectators just don't care about drag racing anymore. There isn't enough drama in it. OH, heck yeah, they will sit at home and scream at the TV watching their favorite episode of street morons. Or sit through the dirt of a roundy round short track race to see who takes out who on turn 4. But they really have no interest in watching two cars race down a safe race track.

4) As for new blood in the sport, that's pretty simple. The cost is a big one. Unless you have a great sponsor OR you own a profitable business, how do you think anyone can enter this sport? And time off to race is probably the next biggest obstacle. Who gets 3-4 weeks vacation a year to spend on racing? How you think a 20 to 35 year old person, with a home, a family, most likely some student loans and car payments.....can spend the money it takes to finance a decent car and go racing for 3-4 weeks a year?

Lastly, did you actually intend to use a comma rather the an apostrophe in your signature? That is to say it should be "don't" instead of "don,t"

Actually I'm illiterate. But that's beside the point. I still don't quite understand how anyone in a current class cares to run down an idea of a class that doesn't exist, and never will exist except possibly locally here at home. And I invite anyone who cares to try it to come to north Missouri and teach those backwards hillbillies a lesson. I'll be there. And any organization that can't bring themselves to send a questionable head to Brodix to be checked out ain't trying to hard. There is no camouflaged porting that fools the maker. Trust me, they've seen it all. And all classes clear to top fuel are spec, so what's it hurt to have one more? Just curious why everyone hates even to talk about it. If you remember NHRA tried to instate a similar dragster class a few years back, and everyone got their panties all bunched up and quashed it. Why do you think they were leaning that way? Just curious.

[LethalRat]

In SS Modified where they say 2 4 bbl carbs or 3 2bbl carbs maximum, would they allow a single Holley Dominator carb or a single Holley 4150? SS/AM - SS/GM

[blkjack]

Originally Posted by LethalRat

In SS Modified where they say 2 4 bbl carbs or 3 2bbl carbs maximum, would they allow a single Holley Dominator carb or a single Holley 4150? SS/AM - SS/GM

How would you expect to run the index with one carb?

[Hacksaw]

Originally Posted by LethalRat

In SS Modified where they say 2 4 bbl carbs or 3 2bbl carbs maximum, would they allow a single Holley Dominator carb or a single Holley 4150? SS/AM - SS/GM

That is a good question. I was told you can not. Does anybody here know?

[Michael Compton]

I know several guys who simply change the designation on their window from BS to CM without changing anything. Weight break is the same only difference is .15 in index.

I can only assume it is legal to run CM with 1 carb.

[LethalRat]

To crossover from SS/AS - SS/CS possibly or Comp Super Modified classes. Could probably run close to the index, sure it would be down on power from a dual carb set up.

Don't know if anyone has do that or is legal with with one carb.

[Tracy Robbins]

You can definitely run under the index w/ a single carb. I used to run SS/PCA in IHRA, which is a single dominator that would fit in SS/BM at NHRA events and could run a couple tenths under but that's it. There's usually around 30 more hp w/ two carbs but I didn't have $2000 for another intake plus the cost of a set of carbs.

[Jim Caughlin]

Originally Posted by Michael Compton

I know several guys who simply change the designation on their window from BS to CM without changing anything. Weight break is the same only difference is .15 in index.

I can only assume it is legal to run CM with 1 carb.

Maybe the rules are interpreted different between divisions but I know for a fact up here in div 6 that at least one car got booted for running a single 4 in Modified, he was told Mod Stock was single 4, Modified was multiple carb only. Div 6 & 7 have been pretty specific that you can't switch between the classes. As the saying goes "your results may vary"...