NHRA ProStock changes coming!

[Geerhead55]

Originally Posted by 600ci

JR. pro stock we need it

They already had it,, it was called Pro Stock Truck: 358 ci limit - 5 speed gearboxes and 7 second ETs. I loved it and thought it was the ultimate small-block/ stick shift class. NHRA didn't think so I guess,,, they killed it. Thanks NHRA!
Danny Durham

[jims5600]

Originally Posted by Geerhead55

They already had it,, it was called Pro Stock Truck: 358 ci limit - 5 speed gearboxes and 7 second ETs. I loved it and thought it was the ultimate small-block/ stick shift class. NHRA didn't think so I guess,,, they killed it. Thanks NHRA!
Danny Durham

I agree with Danny,Pro Stock truck was exciting,to me anyway.

[600ci]

Originally Posted by Geerhead55

They already had it,, it was called Pro Stock Truck: 358 ci limit - 5 speed gearboxes and 7 second ETs. I loved it and thought it was the ultimate small-block/ stick shift class. NHRA didn't think so I guess,,, they killed it. Thanks NHRA!
Danny Durham

427-429-426 gm-ford-chry small block push rod engines
stick shift (no pro stock trans)
all steel bodies except hood
10 inch tires

[doglover44]

I think it will be a good change for the class interesting to see what will happen. Wonder what Drew Skillman thinks on this ?

[charlie westcott]

I sent this letter to NHRA today. Not expecting much out of it, but I felt it needed to be said.


As you know, I am in the process of building a PS car. I keep hearing these rumors online, and hearing the BS spewed by people that have no clue, "keyboard racers". It offends me when people slam the class that people like me have looked up to their whole lives.
I am well aware that your organization owns the sand box that I play in, and I will as always abide by the rules of whatever class I choose to run in, but it scares me when I hear that you want to make wholesale changes to a mainstay of NHRA drag racing.
I feel that it is opportunistic to say that it needs "fixing" because of poor car counts, when every class there has poor turnout. I remember when there were 100 ss cars at a points meet, when now there are 50. Does that need fixing as well?
If the class is made so the "average" racer can do it, what will happen is a bunch of people will jump in the first year, then after they figure out that the same people that dominated before, will continue to do so, they will go back to racing whatever they were before, or quit, which no one needs.
The argument is commonly made that "new cars dont have carburetors". Well, new cars also have 4 doors, and front wheel drive, so why dont the keyboard racers lobby for a class for them also.
The problem as I see it is, the people dont know about, or care about the drivers. There arent many driver/tuners/builders like there used to be. Everyone has a big wallet and rents a motor, or car, blows their wad, then when they run out of money, they quit.
If the rules are changed, the people with the most money/manpower are going to dominate, then rent motors to the others, and we are right back to where we are.

I have spent around 150K on my project so far, and am actually real close to putting the engine in the car to go test. I feel like now I have to hurry up before our class is gone.

I have listened to (name withheld by me) spew about how PS sucks, and the new cars are the way to go, and feel that as a marketing person, his arguments are self serving, and good for no one.

The new cars arent bringing "new" blood into the sport, how many young racers do you know that can spend 90k on a car to run stock? The buyers of those cars are more rich guys, that know nothing about the roots of drag racing.

I dont know if I will see you at indy this year, I think I am going to stay here and try to get my new car ready so I can run it before its obsolete.

thanks
cw

[russellauto1]

Hey, It was just a suggestion. I thought This Was A talk Forum To discuss different ideas and subjects. You don't need to make stupid negative comments on suggestions.


I have seen alot Heavier Cars with Smaller tires and alot more motor get down a track Half as good as a National Event Prepped Surface. Not really any reason a pro stock car can't get down the track.

Pro Stock is my Favorite Class. I also Liked Pro Stock Truck.

[JHeath]

[QUOTE=russellauto1;476734]Hey, It was just a suggestion. I thought This Was A talk Forum To discuss different ideas and subjects. You don't need to make stupid negative comments on suggestions.


I have seen alot Heavier Cars with Smaller tires and alot more motor get down a track Half as good as a National Event Prepped Surface. Not really any reason a pro stock car can't get down the track.

Pro Stock is my Favorite Class. I also Liked Pro Stock Truck.

When was the last time YOU ran a Pro Stock car down a race track ? And exactly how many times did these "Heavier cars with Smaller tires get down the track ?

[russellauto1]

NMCA do it 10.5 tire

Cobra Jets Do it every weekend

[FS Fan]

if the goal is to grow factory participation then NHRA needs to make a change. Even GM is living off investment from long ago. Which works because the class hasn't changed significantly in hardware. I have heard that they didn't even pay for the new body. I am betting their total annual investment is less than Dodge because AJ.

If the goal is to bring in young kids then it's missing the mark because a 30 year old has never sat in a NEW carbureted car. Camaro has a 2.0l turbo engine in it. How can they relate to a current pro stock car? Then trying to explain it brings up that it isn't Stock, and for most of the field it isn't Pro in that the make money racing the class. You can finish top ten, maybe top four, and be cash negative on the season.

This isn't to say pro stock as it is is bad. It's actually pretty amazing. But I can't tell what it wants to be. If it wants to stay as it is then it's not realistic to think that it will grow in fans, sponsorship, or participation. But if everyone is happy with that then what's the problem?
As for the FS cars becoming pro stock that won't happen overnight and someone needs to be in charge of steering that ship If that's the direction NHRA wants to take it.
Personally I would like to see new street cars in Stock, Super Stock become more for engine builders and performance, and both be tied to Pro Stock. It would be nice if some one could see a Pro car that looked and used parts the same as a car they can buy, and they could start racing with that car.

[Chuck Rayburn]

Originally Posted by charlie westcott

I sent this letter to NHRA today. Not expecting much out of it, but I felt it needed to be said.


As you know, I am in the process of building a PS car. I keep hearing these rumors online, and hearing the BS spewed by people that have no clue, "keyboard racers". It offends me when people slam the class that people like me have looked up to their whole lives.
I am well aware that your organization owns the sand box that I play in, and I will as always abide by the rules of whatever class I choose to run in, but it scares me when I hear that you want to make wholesale changes to a mainstay of NHRA drag racing.
I feel that it is opportunistic to say that it needs "fixing" because of poor car counts, when every class there has poor turnout. I remember when there were 100 ss cars at a points meet, when now there are 50. Does that need fixing as well?
If the class is made so the "average" racer can do it, what will happen is a bunch of people will jump in the first year, then after they figure out that the same people that dominated before, will continue to do so, they will go back to racing whatever they were before, or quit, which no one needs.
The argument is commonly made that "new cars dont have carburetors". Well, new cars also have 4 doors, and front wheel drive, so why dont the keyboard racers lobby for a class for them also.
The problem as I see it is, the people dont know about, or care about the drivers. There arent many driver/tuners/builders like there used to be. Everyone has a big wallet and rents a motor, or car, blows their wad, then when they run out of money, they quit.
If the rules are changed, the people with the most money/manpower are going to dominate, then rent motors to the others, and we are right back to where we are.

I have spent around 150K on my project so far, and am actually real close to putting the engine in the car to go test. I feel like now I have to hurry up before our class is gone.

I have listened to (name withheld by me) spew about how PS sucks, and the new cars are the way to go, and feel that as a marketing person, his arguments are self serving, and good for no one.

The new cars arent bringing "new" blood into the sport, how many young racers do you know that can spend 90k on a car to run stock? The buyers of those cars are more rich guys, that know nothing about the roots of drag racing.

I dont know if I will see you at indy this year, I think I am going to stay here and try to get my new car ready so I can run it before its obsolete.

thanks
cw

Well said. Couldn't agree with you more. Pro Stock does not need fixed! Give em hell, Charlie.