Too Many Super Stock Classes?

Jeff Teuton · 04-05-2015, 06:50 PM

Way too many. 109 Classes, including the 23 added this year. On the scoops, I have mixed feelings. I think some of them are Comp cars. I know there is supposed to be some difference between the Mod classes and Comp. Maybe somebody smarter than me can tell me what the difference is.

Alan Roehrich · 04-05-2015, 08:12 PM

They should not have killed Modified. That's the place for those cars.

Ed Wright · 04-05-2015, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

They should not have killed Modified. That's the place for those cars.

Yes sir!

boostedf22c · 04-06-2015, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

They should not have killed Modified. That's the place for those cars.

Aren't these all considered modified classes??

SS/AX 09.50 06.20
SS/BX 10.55 06.83
SS/CX 10.80 06.98
SS/DX 08.95 05.86
SS/EX 10.50 06.80
SS/VX 11.60 07.45
SS/AS 09.60 06.26
SS/BS 09.65 06.28
SS/CS 10.30 06.68
SS/DS 10.75 06.95
SS/ES 12.15 07.76
SS/FS 12.45 07.94
SS/GS 13.65 08.62
SS/AM 09.00 05.90
SS/BM 09.20 06.01
SS/CM 09.50 06.20
SS/DM 09.75 06.35
SS/EM 10.00 06.50
SS/FM 10.50 06.80
SS/GM 10.25 06.65

Alan Roehrich · 04-06-2015, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boostedf22c

Aren't these all considered modified classes??

SS/AX 09.50 06.20
SS/BX 10.55 06.83
SS/CX 10.80 06.98
SS/DX 08.95 05.86
SS/EX 10.50 06.80
SS/VX 11.60 07.45
SS/AS 09.60 06.26
SS/BS 09.65 06.28
SS/CS 10.30 06.68
SS/DS 10.75 06.95
SS/ES 12.15 07.76
SS/FS 12.45 07.94
SS/GS 13.65 08.62
SS/AM 09.00 05.90
SS/BM 09.20 06.01
SS/CM 09.50 06.20
SS/DM 09.75 06.35
SS/EM 10.00 06.50
SS/FM 10.50 06.80
SS/GM 10.25 06.65

Modified Eliminator was originally its own separate class, it was not part of Super Stock. That's the point.

Dick Butler · 04-07-2015, 09:52 AM

Almost 10,000 reads on the two threads regarding classes and eliminator.
Maybe a poll of "What is the most important change which could improve enjoyment of class racing structure" should be started.
Simply a way to cut costs;
More heads up racing;
Easy tech;
Encourage more new racers.

then with all these things to consider maybe ONE change could best help all the issues. Then everyone might lobby NHRA for the same change which could please the Majority of issues.

Jim Caughlin · 04-07-2015, 11:17 AM

Here's my vote Dick, why don't people that don't race quit bringing up ideas that don't affect them? How about we don't vote on eliminating a class that they don't run in because they think there are too many classes? I'm sure given the chance you would eliminate my class as I'm pretty sure that my combination isn't heads up friendly. Here's an idea, lets quit screwing with the rules and just shut up and race. While all of these hairbrained ideas (Pinks, Street Outlaws, Import Series, etc) have come and gone, we're still here and I'm going to say that for good or bad, I'm sticking with what is working.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019 (racing 4 cylinders in SS since 1986)

Dick Butler · 04-07-2015, 03:24 PM

Jim, very fair comments. Sometimes I am tempted into at least commenting since I have been there in most situations in Class racing. Racer, Race Organizer, Sponsor, and have had business building Class Cars. By the way how many cars are in your class at a national event? or in the country? You are to be congratulated for your work on your combination.
I speak from experience of having 13-17 class cars to beat and found it more fun than the bracket dial in mode but that is my experience. Thanks again.

Good looking Pinto. I notice you do compete in a modified class where no hp factoring issues can affect your competitiveness. Good Luck.

Pvt Parts · 04-12-2015, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

They should not have killed Modified. That's the place for those cars.

Absolutely!!!!

SSGT Mustang · 04-05-2015, 08:36 PM

I may be late to the party, but why not have just 14 classes in SS? Have 7.5 lbs-hp, 8.5 lbs-hp, through 20.5 lbs-hp. Give a 5% weight break for an auto, 5% weight break for non-GT cars, 2.5% weight break for non-front wheel drive conversion cars and no 170 lbs. added for driver.

Have 6 additional classes for modified that would run with SS. 7.5 lbs-cid to 12.5 lbs-cid, any single 4-barrel. Weight breaks for autos.

Have 4 additional cases for the new cars that would also run with SS. Weight breaks for autos.

Maybe it's just me, but the class structure seems totally out of control. Cutting classes would make the eliminator a lot more competitive. There would certainly be a LOT more heads up runs.

Just a thought.

04-05-2015, 06:50 PM	#1
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Too Many Super Stock Classes? Way too many. 109 Classes, including the 23 added this year. On the scoops, I have mixed feelings. I think some of them are Comp cars. I know there is supposed to be some difference between the Mod classes and Comp. Maybe somebody smarter than me can tell me what the difference is. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

04-05-2015, 08:12 PM	#2
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,105 Likes: 1,564 Liked 1,789 Times in 408 Posts	Re: Too Many Super Stock Classes? They should not have killed Modified. That's the place for those cars. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

04-07-2015, 09:52 AM	#6
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Too Many Super Stock Classes? Almost 10,000 reads on the two threads regarding classes and eliminator. Maybe a poll of "What is the most important change which could improve enjoyment of class racing structure" should be started. Simply a way to cut costs; More heads up racing; Easy tech; Encourage more new racers. then with all these things to consider maybe ONE change could best help all the issues. Then everyone might lobby NHRA for the same change which could please the Majority of issues.

04-07-2015, 11:17 AM	#7
Jim Caughlin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Woodburn, Or Posts: 683 Likes: 82 Liked 802 Times in 244 Posts	Re: Too Many Super Stock Classes? Here's my vote Dick, why don't people that don't race quit bringing up ideas that don't affect them? How about we don't vote on eliminating a class that they don't run in because they think there are too many classes? I'm sure given the chance you would eliminate my class as I'm pretty sure that my combination isn't heads up friendly. Here's an idea, lets quit screwing with the rules and just shut up and race. While all of these hairbrained ideas (Pinks, Street Outlaws, Import Series, etc) have come and gone, we're still here and I'm going to say that for good or bad, I'm sticking with what is working. Jim Caughlin SS 6019 (racing 4 cylinders in SS since 1986)

04-07-2015, 03:24 PM	#8
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Too Many Super Stock Classes? Jim, very fair comments. Sometimes I am tempted into at least commenting since I have been there in most situations in Class racing. Racer, Race Organizer, Sponsor, and have had business building Class Cars. By the way how many cars are in your class at a national event? or in the country? You are to be congratulated for your work on your combination. I speak from experience of having 13-17 class cars to beat and found it more fun than the bracket dial in mode but that is my experience. Thanks again. Good looking Pinto. I notice you do compete in a modified class where no hp factoring issues can affect your competitiveness. Good Luck. Last edited by Dick Butler; 04-08-2015 at 10:22 AM. Reason: Added information

04-05-2015, 08:36 PM	#10
SSGT Mustang Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Jersey Posts: 359 Likes: 35 Liked 204 Times in 54 Posts	Re: Too Many Super Stock Classes? I may be late to the party, but why not have just 14 classes in SS? Have 7.5 lbs-hp, 8.5 lbs-hp, through 20.5 lbs-hp. Give a 5% weight break for an auto, 5% weight break for non-GT cars, 2.5% weight break for non-front wheel drive conversion cars and no 170 lbs. added for driver. Have 6 additional classes for modified that would run with SS. 7.5 lbs-cid to 12.5 lbs-cid, any single 4-barrel. Weight breaks for autos. Have 4 additional cases for the new cars that would also run with SS. Weight breaks for autos. Maybe it's just me, but the class structure seems totally out of control. Cutting classes would make the eliminator a lot more competitive. There would certainly be a LOT more heads up runs. Just a thought.

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