National Records

[John Duzac]

Nhra use to award points for ET and mph. Records. They need to go back.

[Mike Pearson]

I would say that most guys don't want to go through the hassle of tearing down the engine. Cost is high for gaskets and its a lot of work for basically no reward. Some racers don't build their own engines and do not have the mechanical ability to go through the tear down procedure. Most of us have been there and done that and have our certificates hung on the wall. Now we would just rather race and go some rounds.

[ALMACK]

The last time NHRA published 1/8th mile records in National Dragster was Dec. 2012.

If anyone wants to see what the current 1/8th mile records are, here is the link for Stock:

http://www.nhra.net/stats/stk_rec_e.txt


This is the one for Super Stock:

http://www.nhra.net/stats/ss_rec_e.txt

[James Perrone]

Originally Posted by oldskool

Here's another dummy question. And the only reason I'm asking is because I don't know the answer and would like to.

I see that at most big races there are cars running under the national record for their class. So my question is: why do they choose not to run for the record ?

I could only think of two possible reasons. Either they don't want to go thru an additional teardown. Or they don't want to call any extra attention to their combo, which might result in a hp refactor.

So can some of you guys clear this up for me ?

Also, I've noticed that some cars are going about 2 sec quicker than the same combo did back in the 70's. Is there any way to look up what the record was for a particular class, say in 1975, and what car held that record ? Or how about a list of when that record was reset, and by what car ? Or is this kind of info just too detailed to keep up with and have available online ?

Old school you get nothing for going as fast as possible but HP .Zero reward,
Very insulting to imply fast people don't show off because the motors not legit l!
Records are too much work for NO REWARD.Now show up in the other lane And I will show you how fast I can go!

[Larry Hill]

I've set records, had to tear down and we were legal. It's not for everyone but its a great feeling to take the record away from someone. Its a sad day when someone beats your record, but its also a day of earned respect to the racer who bested my performance.


For me its worth all the effort !

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by GTX JOHN

Seldom Tear Down after a race is completed......everyone wants to go home. Random tear downs after Qualification Runs

No teardowns in our Division (7) unless a record has been set.

Hey THANKS guys ! Ya'll have provided a lot of great info.

I'm real surprised at the info in this post. I just assumed that the winner of every national and divisional would be torn down. Does that mean that only record setting cars are even checked at divisional races ? Does that mean that some of the cars could be running too many cubes and it would never even be checked ?

If this is the case, do ya'll think it's because of the bracket racing nature of class racing now ? Or maybe because the payouts are so low ? Or maybe a combination of things ?

The only negative I can see about somebody running an illegal engine is in the case of a same class, heads up run. In that case it wouldn't seem fair to the other guy IF he is running legal.

Having been around some dirt racing, I know how some guys will fudge all they can get by with.

So, nowadays, is it just assumed that most everybody who runs just the divisional races are fudging a little and most don't really care that much ?

Hey, I'm just trying to learn all I can about how things operate in class racing today. And I can't think of a better way to learn than to ask those who do it. So, thanks again guys for sharing all this info !

[oldskool]

Those 1986 records are interesting. The SS/KA is a 10.80. In 1977 the guys at H-O Racing Specialties set that class record at 11.31, in a '74 SD455 TA. So it took 9 years to lower the record 1/2 sec. We saw the H-O car run at the '78 Cajun Nationals. They were a long way from home.

[Dan Fahey]

What rule changes created the vast improvement?
Todays Stockers are running the old SS numbers.
D

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

What rule changes created the vast improvement?
Todays Stockers are running the old SS numbers.
D

I'll take a shot at that one. We ran a '68 Firebird in E/SA back in '75. We had to run factory cast pistons and rods. That limited the rpm. Now they can run forged H-beam rods and Ross pistons.

We had to run the stock type fan that came on that engine. Today I think they can run an electric driven water pump and elec fan.

We ran a much smaller Lunati "Stocker" cam and a 3000 stall Vitar converter. Today, the cam duration they can run is ridiculous. So, with a wild cam, high spring pressures, and a 4000 + 8" converter, they can get a great launch and wind it high.

Then there are the super head shops today who can work their magic, and get much more power from a set of iron heads than was possible in the '70's, and somehow do it where they will pass tech.

They can now run tight clearances and get by with running the super thin oil and low pressure, along with a crank scraper and modified pan. The ring technology is also better today.

We had to run a TH400 like came behind the 400 engine. Today they can run a trick TH350 with light insides and a 2.75 1st gear. OR even a super light TH200 with a lower 1st gear.

And someone said the 9" slicks of today are much better than those from the 70's. So the better tires, together with the Cal-Trac bars and springs, give 'em all the hook they need to leave hard and get lots of air.

So, all these things add up to a 2 sec quicker ET than was possible 40 years ago. And since there were several E/SA '68 Birds running quick last season, they got an 8 HP hit. I think that's the 1st one ever. I know it was 330hp back in '75.

This 1 sec + under, #2 qualifier may have influenced the hit. Who knows ? Hey, they may look at all the top qualifiers at the bigger races, especially if they are over a sec under.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2014#indextop

Hey, I just can't help it ya'll. I love them '68 Birds !

[Gary Parker]

When I set the H/SA record a few years ago, they torn us down during time trials
and just before first round. I had plenty of help or would have not made first round. Everyone knew I wanted to race so they let me get my stuff checked first. If not, I would never made first round. Don't know if its still done that way, but I was there to race along with setting the record.......