Fuel Injection

[D.Johns]

How about breaking it down even further. Separate the cars by the owners income and amount spent on their car. A Hundreth off for every hundred earned/spent. But everyone must still get a trophy and no one can know what class the other is in because it may single others out.


Now, the Star-Bell Sneetches had bellies with stars.
The Plain-Belly Sneetches had none upon thars.
Those stars weren’t so big. They were really so small.
You might think such a thing wouldn’t matter at all.

Then ONE day, it seems while the Plain-Belly Sneetches
Were moping and doping alone on the beaches,
Just sitting there wishing their bellies had stars,
A stranger zipped up in the strangest of cars!

[jim powers]

been there done that--------- they tried fuel injection classes over 10 years ago--bottom line is nhra is too cheap to give the extra wallys and they use up their time for more interesting classes----sleds, turbo washing machines etc etc etc

[Bob Mulry]

It seems that this plan would be the wrong direction to go.........

More classes = less heads-up runs in class and the eliminator......

The biggest class at INDY would be the Auto & Stick Combo Class Eliminator......

So much for stock being a performance based eliminator

That way all we have to have is shoe polish to race.........

We could be just like T-Ball and get a trophy before we go out for pizza....

Just the thoughts of an old guy who still appreciates performance...

Bob

[countrypuppy4865]

I think they got this one right for the most part. I think the drastic changes for SS went a little too far (Drag pak, copo, and cobra jet falling in FS/GT even with old engine). However, this just separates the engines that weren't available at the dealership from engines that were. You can still have a new car in regular classes. You can take a regular challenger and put a 5.7 Hemi in it and run H-J/S(A) with a 300hp rating. This is no different from how it has been for years. The factory rates engines that came in these cars on the street at a lower hp than their capability. However, you will not stick a factory engine in the car and go to the top of the qualifying sheet. They will still take some work to make them run.

If you take a look at nitro joe's stats, I bet the vast majority of the fastest cars from CC/SA -up have a carburetor (taking out the Copos, Drag Paks, and Cobra Jets).

CC/SA - Fastest Chuck Rayburn
A/SA - Bruce Noland
B/SA - Jim Boudreau
C/SA - Russell Linke (FI car)
D/SA - Randy Lyn
E/SA - Andrew Hill
F/SA - Myself (FI car)
G/SA - Gary Parker
H/SA - Chris Butcher
I/SA - Steve Szupka
J/SA - Frank Ferrucci
K/SA - Billy Lynn

Looking at this it doesn't appear that the regular FI cars are that dominant. In almost every class with a FS car as the fastest they were .20-.30 faster than the closest non FS car.

[Brett C]

Valid points Cooter, as always. You have won IHRA championships and they have it broken out FI. Didn't seem to effect the successes there. Just killing time and throwing stuff out there. Understand if it doesn't make sense in certain places, it probably doesn't make sense for changes across the board.
Super Stock paints a much different picture than the one painted for stock.
Looking forward to the new NHRA classes this year...should be interesting at the big races!

[countrypuppy4865]

Originally Posted by Brett C

Valid points Cooter, as always. You have won IHRA championships and they have it broken out FI. Didn't seem to effect the successes there. Just killing time and throwing stuff out there. Understand if it doesn't make sense in certain places, it probably doesn't make sense for changes across the board.
Super Stock paints a much different picture than the one painted for stock.
Looking forward to the new NHRA classes this year...should be interesting at the big races!

Brett,

There are very few new cars that attended IHRA races.

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by countrypuppy4865

I think they got this one right for the most part. I think the drastic changes for SS went a little too far (Drag pak, copo, and cobra jet falling in FS/GT even with old engine). However, this just separates the engines that weren't available at the dealership from engines that were. You can still have a new car in regular classes. You can take a regular challenger and put a 5.7 Hemi in it and run H-J/S(A) with a 300hp rating. This is no different from how it has been for years. The factory rates engines that came in these cars on the street at a lower hp than their capability. However, you will not stick a factory engine in the car and go to the top of the qualifying sheet. They will still take some work to make them run.
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Cooter gets it completely right. But I run one of them pesky 69 Camaros, so maybe I'm bias. And he runs one of them LS1's, so maybe he is too. Heck, maybe the majority of people and their old stockers get it too. All NHRA did was put their own spin on a Crate Motor class and said it had to be 2008 and newer Crate Motor stuff. It clearly is the best move for Stock Eliminator. A bunch of your fellow racers won't just go out and buy a new car to be competitive, they will just quit Stock or Super Stock racing. Lets be fair and call the Factory Racing Programs what they are, and they are NOT stock. They are Factory Stock.

[Ed Wright]

Hagen & Cooter are both correct, as is the mention that you can put a carb on these engines and make more power. It has been done over and over. Fuel injection is no magic bullet. One advantage is not having to buy a high dollar Quadrajet (or whatever you run) from each race carb builder to see which one is fastest. I also have friends with carbureted Super Stock cars that have two from the same guy, and one is faster. None of my carbureted SS friends have only one race-built carb, they all have one faster than their other carbs. With EFI there is no magic ECU or keyboard. No worn out threads from too many jet changes, etc. Fuel injection only makes more power in some people's minds. They likely just truly don't know much about it. That stinking fuel injection is all they see.

[Brett C]

Looking at SS H-K it would be really hard to argue against it. But I'm sure it's just the carb group just didn't work as hard on their stuff.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Brett C

Looking at SS H-K it would be really hard to argue against it. But I'm sure it's just the carb group just didn't work as hard on their stuff.

Not many carbureted cars in the class I run, but Mike Cotten's car has a carb. Lloyd Wolford's Volarie did too, until he put a DP engine in it. Both have handed me my tail. You don't hear Jeff crying about their hp factors. But those are MOPARs, so........