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Old 09-05-2014, 07:42 AM   #1
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I like the 10% hp reduction idea.
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Old 09-05-2014, 07:55 AM   #2
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Hey Chuck, additionally, to level the playing field, I'd like CNC ported heads, roller cam, an Alum. block, 9 inch ford rear end, any brand automotive Transmission, AND I'll except the factory HP rating of 425hp. - JB-
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Old 09-05-2014, 08:26 AM   #3
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Seriously Jeff, we've had this conversation before, your idea is pretty damn good ! -JB-
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Old 09-05-2014, 08:54 AM   #4
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How about just giving the new cars the 50 to 75 (a few engines even more) hp they need to level the playing field? I know what some of the best SS 360" Drag Paks and GM LT1s make from the same engine builder, same dyno. Close to 100 hp difference. Just this past week the 360" got bumped up so the LT1 (which isn't at all over rated) doesn't also have to carry more weight in the same class. Last week I would have to be 40 lbs heavier in SS/JA.

I love Jeff (NOT in THAT way) but he wants everybody else to be shuffled around so the few problem cars don't have to do anything different, or (horrors!) slow down. They are the ones wrong, not everybody else. As long as Ford, MOPAR & GM sponsors races, I would not hold my breath until NHRA made it right.
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Old 09-05-2014, 09:06 AM   #5
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Instead of reducing HP on over a thousand old cars, why wouldn't you increase HP on the much smaller number of factory cars, which need a HP increase in the first place? They've already appended numerous class weight breaks above A/SA. As you point out, it's not about "slowing them down", but rather classifying them properly.

Dodge blew the roof off the automotive industry by proclaiming the Hellcat made 707HP. It wouldn't have been very marketable to say "This supercharged 6.2L makes 426HP!" If anything, you'd figure they'd want to redo the weight break/classification structure so that ALL cars, both old and new had HP factors that made some semblance of sense to people in the outside world. Do you want to advertise to the public that your factory race car makes 500HP, or 900HP?

As usual, full disclosure: I run a DragPak combo. I think the new cars are great, and are impressive race cars. I simply feel that NHRA could've included them in a way that was realistic and fair, while actually improving their marketing position.

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Old 09-05-2014, 09:12 AM   #6
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Boys i'm not sure that would answer any of your prays for a long time. The sad truth of the matter is that there's to many people in the back pockets of each others. There are guys out there building STOCKER motors that 2 years ago wouldn't have even talked to you about one let alone build you one. Its a different breed out there most of them have not been in the stock/ super stock pits trying to turn a nickel into a dime. If you have a CNC head and a plastic manifold it should by all rights make about the same power in 10yrs from now. Correct? But with some of the top head porters know doing heads how many revisions to that CNC port do you think there will be? And they are not going to want to do just one set. I guess it will make finding a virgin set of 300hp heads seem cheap. LOL Not sure what the correct answer is. I guess just be happy with what ever you have and do the best you can. It's going to be a long road how ever you look at it. When 4 or 5 of the top 10 are older cars guess they can't say were not trying. LOL
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Old 09-05-2014, 09:41 AM   #7
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So assuming refactioring isn't going to happen since its been proposed many times to no avail and that the FX class suggestion isn't likely to happen, what is another realistic option besides what Jeff suggested?

It seems to me NHRA is pretty much opposed to re-factoring the cars and all of the stock guys and girls(the majority) want all cars factored properly. Those seem to be the extremes of position on the issue.

Given these stances and that we are to a certain extent talking politics, what is the/a middle ground option assuming re-factoring is an extreme for the NHRA?
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Old 09-05-2014, 09:58 AM   #8
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Put all the new (2008-up) in their own eliminator race! No AHFS! Let the manufacturers put up their purse (say $5000 each) So let them all run for the $15,000. If them want to run in Stock Eliminator, they use their times and are subjected to the AHFS! Problem solved!!

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Old 09-05-2014, 10:50 AM   #9
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The Easy Way Would Be To Make A B C D Stick And Auto If You Are A Old Car Change AN/S BN/S CN/S DN/S Stick And Auto. From D On up Are The Main Classes Affected.And Leave The New Car's Alone. And Let Them Beat Up Each Other. Just Saying This Would Be An Easier Fix. Think About It!!!!!
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