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Old 05-08-2014, 06:31 PM   #1
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"The NHRA imposed a one thousand ($1,000) fine against Don Davidson for violating NHRA Rules, particularly Section 10A, page 2 of the 2014 NHRA Rulebook on Camshaft/Lifters and Carburetor. Tech inspectors discovered during the tear down process the intake valve lift and carburetor venturi exceeded NHRA specifications."

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Old 05-08-2014, 08:50 PM   #2
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Anyone that knows Don,knows he would not knowingly do anything against the rules. I helped him with tear down and fully expected the car to pass. The carb was on the car when he bought it and had never measured the venturi's(how many of us have bought a carb and not measured it?) The lift on the intake was .007 ovr limit on the intake and .013 under on the exhaust. Don's main problem wound up being that he trusted the parts and work of others to be up to par. I think NHRA has way over done it in this case to a guy that just loves to race and supports the NHRA in every way. His car started running good because of good old fashion hard work from the front bumper to the rear,not a carb swap! A bunch of you guys know Don and know he is the kind of guy you want for a friend,honest and hard working.
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Old 05-08-2014, 09:07 PM   #3
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I guess the question about this is the process as administered by NHRA. What then determined a need for a fine and if a fine is to be administered, what is the process to establish the amount?
If NHRA wants this to be a deterrent, why not spell it out? Unless the car had a dominator on it, it would seem that the punishment did not fit the crime here. The lift sure wasn't extreme.
Is this in the rulebook or amendments to the rulebook in a very specific way or is it written by a Chicago Politician?
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Old 05-08-2014, 09:42 PM   #4
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Is this in the rulebook or amendments to the rulebook in a very specific way or is it written by a Chicago Politician?
Exactly. If this is going to be the way NHRA is going to be, they should let everybody know prior to the administration. Executive order, I guess. If you are needing money, nothing is off the table.
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Based on what I have read.....the crime does not warrant the fine....note: I have been DQ'd for a half CC in the combustion chamber....later recinded. In this case....7 thou on the cam lift does not seem like much, but 1 thou is too much, but 1 thou would not get a fine...IMO....so the real question is....How big was the problem with the Carb? I'm just saying...
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The Venturi area around the booster was .017 over size. I am not even sure how you could enlarge that area.
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Out of curiosity, does NHRA have a requirement to calibrate their measurement devices on a periodic basis and provide documentation of such?
Having worked in Industry where precision measurement is required to determine part acceptability, procedures required calibration on a regular basis.
Additionally, utilization of such instruments require specific training and documentation of such training.
I'm new to stock racing and have not had the "teardown opportunity". But, if someone was to slap a $1k fine on me.....I'd be asking these questions as a part of an appeal.
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Out of curiosity, does NHRA have a requirement to calibrate their measurement devices on a periodic basis and provide documentation of such?
Having worked in Industry where precision measurement is required to determine part acceptability, procedures required calibration on a regular basis.
Additionally, utilization of such instruments require specific training and documentation of such training.
I'm new to stock racing and have not had the "teardown opportunity". But, if someone was to slap a $1k fine on me.....I'd be asking these questions as a part of an appeal.
Your statement makes complete sense. When the tool could make the difference between $1000 fine and disgrace or being a hero I'm afraid it only seems sensible to make sure the tools are correct and accurate. Jim

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Out of curiosity, does NHRA have a requirement to calibrate their measurement devices on a periodic basis and provide documentation of such?
Having worked in Industry where precision measurement is required to determine part acceptability, procedures required calibration on a regular basis.
Additionally, utilization of such instruments require specific training and documentation of such training.
I'm new to stock racing and have not had the "teardown opportunity". But, if someone was to slap a $1k fine on me.....I'd be asking these questions as a part of an appeal.
Yes, it would be interesting to know how or even if NHRA documents the accuracy of their measurement instruments. In order to back up their findings at any given time they would need to provide documentation that their instruments have been certified by a lab that has ISO 17025 certification and that certification is current. The measuring equipment also should be required to be verified before use to a certified standard. This is all basic stuff contained in ISO TS 16949 which pertains to the automotive industry . And what about written procedures for their use of their equipment? All of this needs to be brought up if you contest a fine as I doubt they could back up any of their findings.
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Old 05-24-2014, 03:56 PM   #10
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Sometimes the factory core is that large. I would guess or assume (I sure hate to use that term) that is why they -NHRA- allow the +.015 over the 1.093 spec. I don't think that is in the rule book you and I get, but is in the Policy and Procedures Manual they (NHRA) have. (the other rule book) I've been told that sometimes it is hard to find (certain numbers) of a stock unaltered carb that is within spec.
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