Wagon Train

[treekiller]

I get where you and every other guy who is a fan of the heads up deal is coming from Jim. I would imagine that guys w pre 2008 cars don't take a week off of work and drive hundreds and sometimes thousands of miles to go to a national event just to win class and outrun somebody heads up. How many times have one of these new cars just been straight up outrun by an old car? If someone wants to say well heads ups are rare that's because guys w slow cars play the ladder game to avoid them. Why not have s/ss combo races w no hp factor? Run whatever you want. Call it the dick swinging nationals. There probably wouldn't be 10 old cars on the property. With nhra being the sinking ship that it is they ain't gonna do nothing to piss off the big 3 so them and their underrated cars ain't going nowhere. The 4th or 5th rd of a nat event that you took time off of work to go to and probably spent a couple grand to get to, is not the time you wanna see one of those guys come rolling by you at the 330 mark whopping all the way down the track. Now some of y'all look at that as a challenge but c'mon. Without horsepower being taken away the old cars can't compete, in a heads up anyway. Gene schmaltz jr. 4928

[Larry Hill]

NHRA 2014 Rule Book

Page one, second sentence: "Keys to the success have been NHRA'S focus on racer participation at all levels and providing venues to race (here comes the important part) with rules designed to provide fair competition and to enhance safety."

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

NHRA 2014 Rule Book

Page one, second sentence: "Keys to the success have been NHRA'S focus on racer participation at all levels and providing venues to race (here comes the important part) with rules designed to provide fair competition and to enhance safety."

Larry, don't you know it's crying to expect a fair and level playing field.

[treessavoy]

The real answer to all this debating about "hp", "new cars", etc. is so simple that most of you will never agree with...run off dial in...no heads up runs in class. By adopting this rule change you have just made my Max Wedge competitive with all the new "factory" cars...period!


Start throwing your spears and arrows.

JimR

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by treessavoy

The real answer to all this debating about "hp", "new cars", etc. is so simple that most of you will never agree with...run off dial in...no heads up runs in class. By adopting this rule change you have just made my Max Wedge competitive with all the new "factory" cars...period!


Start throwing your spears and arrows.

JimR

Jim, that's bracket racing. You can do that at your local track on most every weekend. One of the reasons I race stock is the challenge of building a class car to run faster than my competition. When the sanctioning body deliberately gives your competitors huge advantages in horsepower rating, all the while their mission statement talks about fair competition a lot of us who have lots of time and money invested are going to raise hell.

[Jim Kaekel]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

When the sanctioning body deliberately gives your competitors huge advantages in horsepower rating, all the while their mission statement talks about fair competition a lot of us who have lots of time and money invested are going to raise hell.

Well stated....that statement says it all and it's a fact, not an opinion.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

When the sanctioning body deliberately gives your competitors huge advantages in horsepower rating, all the while their mission statement talks about fair competition a lot of us who have lots of time and money invested are going to raise hell.

The greatest irony of this whole thread is the complaints are all about the HP ratings that NHRA put on the NEW cars that everybody KNEW were coming. NHRA has historically always factored NEW cars soft. How do ya think it feels to guys like Capt. Jack and I when a 25/35/40 year old combo that didn't even exist as far as NHRA is concerned just pops up in the guide with a HP factor that it would have never had if it was put in the guide as a new car! Or a combo that has existed for years just manages to circumvent NHRAs own AHFS system and gets a 20% HP reduction in one shot!
HEY BUDDY!!!!!!! Don't bother circling the wagons, we've already been scalped!!!

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Jim, that's bracket racing. You can do that at your local track on most every weekend. One of the reasons I race stock is the challenge of building a class car to run faster than my competition. When the sanctioning body deliberately gives your competitors huge advantages in horsepower rating, all the while their mission statement talks about fair competition a lot of us who have lots of time and money invested are going to raise hell.

Greg, I knew the reference to bracket racing would be the first objection and I can't disagree but if you have shoe polish on your window...you're bracket racing! The other alternative is to run off National Records and we've tried that and it didn't work.

We are not going to get a fair shake from the NHRA, it's not their priority and we've flogged the Max Wedge's, 427" Camaro"s and Ford's to the Nth degree...there's no more hp left to find while the new cars are full of potential. So, how do I become competitive with the new cars that are in my same class and can run about a second faster?

The new cars are here and they ain't going away and without taking the body off the frame I can't be competitive BUT if I could keep my dial in going into a class race I could be competitive.........just thinking!

JimR

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by treessavoy

We are not going to get a fair shake from the NHRA, it's not their priority and we've flogged the Max Wedge's, 427" Camaro"s and Ford's to the Nth degree...there's no more hp left to find while the new cars are full of potential. So, how do I become competitive with the new cars that are in my same class and can run about a second faster?

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[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by treessavoy

Greg, I knew the reference to bracket racing would be the first objection and I can't disagree but if you have shoe polish on your window...you're bracket racing! The other alternative is to run off National Records and we've tried that and it didn't work.

We are not going to get a fair shake from the NHRA, it's not their priority and we've flogged the Max Wedge's, 427" Camaro"s and Ford's to the Nth degree...there's no more hp left to find while the new cars are full of potential. So, how do I become competitive with the new cars that are in my same class and can run about a second faster?

The new cars are here and they ain't going away and without taking the body off the frame I can't be competitive BUT if I could keep my dial in going into a class race I could be competitive.........just thinking!

JimR

My goal now is whenever I have a heads up or class race with one of them is to make them run fast enough to get horsepower.