1969 camaro hood

[Alan Roehrich]

You know, the hood ruling might be tolerable, and reasonably well accepted, if it were not for the fact that there a lot more things that are a lot more bogus then a cowl hood on a lower HP Camaro is, and they make a lot more difference, too.

It's sort of like the guy with a 2x4 in his eye telling the other guy that he has a piece of saw dust in his.

[SS Engine Guy]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I worked with Joe D......I mean Joe Tech for a couple of years when he was with IHRA and found him to be a complete a** !

HaHa....you are right about Joe "tech". But at least he was an a** to everyone. Didn't matter who your sponsor was or what your reputation was in racing. Liked to look for "drivers aids" too. Saw him find a couple. Too bad he wasn't allowed to make it public.
Back to the topic: I remember when you better have the right emblem on the glove box for the package you were claiming or you weren't racing. Maybe that is being too picky but class racing back 30 years ago wasn't for everybody. Infractions considered by tech to be "performance enhancing" bought you a year vacation. A cowl hood or a front spoiler on the wrong combination would have been considered "performance enhancing".

Alan, dead on. Lots more bogus stuff out there than hoods.

[Ed Wright]

They have dumbed it WAY down. Between the bogus parts and way too soft indexes. Any dummy can be "fast" now.

[chris3racing]

Well I got in this late, but reading about the fact that now that hood on my camaro produces the same horsepower as the illegal fiberglass super stock hood on my Duster that no one will allow me to compete in super stock with. All that performance from hood is really super.

[Alex Denysenko]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Calm down there Sparky, while I was typing it I was thinking that I was wrong on the Dodge thing but I am correct about the AAR Cuda hood thing. David has already cracked me in the knuckles.
How long will it take before you say I don't exist? ;-)

As many of you might know I worked for Mr Norm's Grand Spaulding DODGE AS A LINE MECHANIC IN THE EARLY 70'S Arguably the largest high performance Dodge dealer ever, I probably prepped more new Challengers then most of you have seen, the ONLY car the fiberglass hood came on in 1970 was the 340six pack T/A! Anything else with ram air got a shaker with all due respect to mr Hakim I don't think that he was even legally driving yet in 1970.
FYI:
We had a 440-6-pack automatic Challenger house race car which replaced our 68 440 "M" code Dart which got sold driven mostly by our nervous manager Joe Nagle and occasionally me we actually tried a shaker to glass hood comparison test at US. 30 drag strip for kicks because people were stealing the T/A hoods off the lot the shaker was quicker and faster.

[Carguy49]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

You know, the hood ruling might be tolerable, and reasonably well accepted, if it were not for the fact that there a lot more things that are a lot more bogus then a cowl hood on a lower HP Camaro is, and they make a lot more difference, too.

It's sort of like the guy with a 2x4 in his eye telling the other guy that he has a piece of saw dust in his.

This thread has become my source of humor recently. I just lost a friend to cancer yesterday and another friend has, probably, just days to live. It is amazing what is being accepted in STOCK these days. I am not sure where the real problem lies, but there is definitely no easy solution to it. Whether it is NHRA, as a whole, or the various tech crews we will never see it fixed. At least in our lifetime, talking about all of us over 60. I am not blaming the various tech crews, just stating that I understand they are not all on the same page. I have heard stories that a car will pass tech at 1 track and then be told of wrong items at another - just sayin'. Can you imagine if ALL the cars in stock eliminator had to pass tech under the eye of the most critical, and efficient tech inspector out there?? With all this said, I hope that stock eliminator continues to be fun for those that participate for many years to come.

[Micha5tr]

it over at the time and my long term memory is still very good

[David Hakim]

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

As many of you might know I worked for Mr Norm's Grand Spaulding DODGE AS A LINE MECHANIC IN THE EARLY 70'S Arguably the largest high performance Dodge dealer ever, I probably prepped more new Challengers then most of you have seen, the ONLY car the fiberglass hood came on in 1970 was the 340six pack T/A! Anything else with ram air got a shaker with all due respect to mr Hakim I don't think that he was even legally driving yet in 1970.
FYI:
We had a 440-6-pack automatic Challenger house race car which replaced our 68 440 "M" code Dart which got sold driven mostly by our nervous manager Joe Nagle and occasionally me we actually tried a shaker to glass hood comparison test at US. 30 drag strip for kicks because people were stealing the T/A hoods off the lot the shaker was quicker and faster.

Maybe I wasn't driving but the 1971 Dodge Dealer Data Book is strong evidence showing the fiberglass hood option on non-T/A Challengers.

Therefore, it could have been ordered by a customer.

How do you argue that...?

[Alex Denysenko]

Originally Posted by David Hakim

Maybe I wasn't driving but the 1971 Dodge Dealer Data Book is strong evidence showing the fiberglass hood option on non-T/A Challengers.

Therefore, it could have been ordered by a customer.

How do you argue that...?

my eyes and my really good memory
NEXT TIME YOU RUN INTO Norm or Lennie Krause at one of those shows you ex mopar guys seen to do ask them Norm will tell you that they would have ordered hundreds of them as it was the T/A's were almost sale proof, because they were so slow and cost too much for whayt you got

of all places GSD would have been the one to order cars with those hoods right up the street wad grand central Chrysler Plymouth which delivered at least half a dozen SS 68 HEMI CUDAS same deal only 70AAR CUDAS had the glass hoods no hemis or six pack RB wedges
What next?Are you going to find a Chrysler special order sheet that shows you could special order a aluminum intake manifold on a 70 or 71 440 six pack?

[David Hakim]

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

my eyes and my really good memory
NEXT TIME YOU RUN INTO Norm or Lennie Krause ask them Norm will tell you that they would have ordered hundreds of them as it was the T/A's wetre almost sale proof, because they were so slow and cost too much

of all places GSD would have been the one to order cars with those hoods right up the street wsd grand central Chrysler Plymouth which delivered at least half a dozen SS 68 HEMI CUDAS same deal only 70AAR CUDAS had the glass hoods no hemis or six pack RB wedges

Look, all I'm stating is the hood was an option on the R/T Challengers. I know of two R/Ts that had the glass hoods from the plant as documented by the data plate and broadcast sheet.

I'm not implying 100's of Challenger came rolling off the Dodge Main assembly line with the glass hood.

I also know there was an issue with the hood supplier in Windsor, Ontario when the '71 T/A Challenger was cancelled in late '70 (none were built obviously). The supplier still had some inventory levels for service after Mopar cancelled their PO.

Remember, marketing materials get printed months before the introduction of the new model year and are not always accurate at the time of printing (the '72 Plymouth Dealer Data shows the 440 6BBL option for Road Runner).

And, I have the "Get Out of Jail letter" from Tom Hoover and Dick Maxwell to NHRA from May of 1970 stating the glass hood was an available option.

So, you may have worked for Mr. Norms and that's great but I've lived in Detroit my whole life and have been imbedded within the Chrysler community. I've interviewed everyone from the guys on the line who built these cars to Tom Hoover who ran the Chrysler Race program back in the day.

And...I spent 10 years at Chrysler researching these cars in the archives.

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