Cheating [2-step And Buttons]

[stockracer]

How many times have we been here? Nobody that I know of besides muncy has been caught cheating in a while! As far as a go fast item, I believe if you ask anybody who uses one, 90% loose 2-5 hundredths in the 60' And your right about flash racing, it takes some room for error out, So go do it! Try it for your self! And I personaly believe that foot braking is easier in a real car then on a pratice tree! Norton, dont be pissed, cant you flash race just as easy in a stick car? No different than a trans brake! jmo...

[Ryan Horensky]

I can hit the tree harder and be more consistent off the footbrake than I can off the two-step. I've been footbraking for 10 years. However, I would like to have the opportunity to try the two-step again in the future. If they are not banned first. Two steps are a part of stock and should stay. In my family I'm the young guy who doesn't want to use the two-step, because i'm more comfortable footbraking. My dad has used the two-step for 12 years and is comfortable driving that way. Let everyone do what they want and stop tryin to change everything. Every person has a preference. It doesn't mean you should start trying to ban things because you personally do not like them. That isn't fair to the other guys.

Ryan Horensky
1273 C/SA

[Mike Mayhew]

It was my good friend Al Peters that figured out the guy that was using a delay box in stock about 3 years ago at an NHRA national event. Don't remember the guys name. It's a pretty intersting story how AL figured it out. I'll tell ya at the track sometime if anyone is interested. Al gathered up the Emmons boys at the national event in Texas and they nabbed him.
But guess what. That guy had used the box in NHRA and IHRA and won in both bodies with it.
It took another racer to find it.
I just heard a story last weekend in Jackson about a SS racer that was caught with a box in a previous NHRA race. The story was from a guy that saw it first hand.

I've personally never called anyone a cheater. I don't even think about it at the track. I always feel if I do my job I can win. Can't think of a sole that I think would cheat with a box.
But every year or so someone is caught.
Sittin at home, just thinking about things, I guess it's easy to think that 'someone'...'somewhere' is doing......'something'.

Without a 2step it's 90% impossible to use a box. This is like what they say about locks I guess. It keeps honest people honest.
Maybe no 2step/button would take the temptation away from an honest racer. If only 1 "hidden-delay-device " person a year decides to do otherwise it's worth it.
I guess ?

Remember that 2 steps have only been legal for a few years. They were not legal longer than they have been legal ( in Stock ). So history isn't an accurate way to judge this I believe.
I can live with it either way.

[LNorton]

Originally Posted by stockracer

How many times have we been here? Nobody that I know of besides muncy has been caught cheating in a while! As far as a go fast item, I believe if you ask anybody who uses one, 90% loose 2-5 hundredths in the 60' And your right about flash racing, it takes some room for error out, So go do it! Try it for your self! And I personaly believe that foot braking is easier in a real car then on a pratice tree! Norton, dont be pissed, cant you flash race just as easy in a stick car? No different than a trans brake! jmo...

The car is too slow to leave on the flash. The weight break we run in is equal to P/SA. In pure stock we are also restricted to all stock suspension components except for shocks.

The beginning of all of this can be traced back to the LED bulbs. With them it was easy to leave between bulbs, but now it is darn near impossible.

[tgriffith]

Lee,,,have you ever thought about blinding the tree and leaving on the second bulb?????,,,I know,,,I know,,its too quick,,,,BUT how about second gear at about 2500???? or even 3rd gear (if possible),,,,it could be worked out,,,VAN is doing it now and he is nearly perfect every pass in the Burb,,,,I seen a string of .00`s to .01`s that would make your mouth water,,,your car is fast enough to run under the index with no problem even leaving in 2nd and maybe 3rd,,,,,,need to try it at a frid test if it wont tear any thing up



you racers that have a heavy slow car can use a 2 step off the 2nd bulb leaving out of 2nd or third gear,,,,kills only about .5 to .60 tenths and still have the option of Flash racing like the faster cars......if 2steps/buttons stay legal,,,,,thats our intentions,,,,,,going to get a huge wagon that runs about 1.00 under and leave out of high gear,,,,,it will work ---or maybe a turbo car--who knows???

[Mickey Whaley]

I'm not taking up for anyone who has or was caught cheating. by the way if you know someone please post a name for the real racers to see?? i would like to know, not just talk about someone doing it just post their name and be done with it. As cheaters go at the Gainesville Nat'l event every winner in the first round was driven up on ramps and checked for line locks hooked to buttons by mr collins who takes sides with no one and not a single person was bounced so i know that the entire stock class was looked at, i dont know if every division does this but DIV 2 did no cheaters.

[Mike Mayhew]

The guy Al and the Emmons caught at Dallas name was Muncey, or something like that.
Of course if a guy gets caught cheating in Stock, he can always go to NHRA Pro Stock, Ala Dave Connally.

[Rod Greene]

All you automatic guys just don't get it. A stick car leaves off the clutch it doesn't care when you release a button long throw short throw or hydraulic. It leaves when I let the clutch out. I say ban them in autos allow them in Sticks.

[burton5809]

Originally Posted by Rod Greene

All you automatic guys just don't get it. A stick car leaves off the clutch it doesn't care when you release a button long throw short throw or hydraulic. It leaves when I let the clutch out. I say ban them in autos allow them in Sticks.

Then just take the buttons out of the automatics but keep the 2 step....Just make it where there are no buttons. Then both the auto cars and the sticks are leaving off a pedal. Or is that still to much of an ""advantage"" for the auto cars?

[Cam]

Originally Posted by clutch man

WHATS FAIR FOR 1 SHOULD BE FAIR FOR THE OTHER??????? Why let one car do it and not the other i run a stick but whats good for one car is good for the other no unfair treatment for a certain combo make it fair for all cars and drivers. now lets start another argument for stick cars????????? and 2 steps?????????????? hahahahahah be here all year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comparing stick cars in Stock with automatics is a bit like apples and oranges isn't it? As Rod says the launch is controlled solely by your left foot. The only electronics effecting the launch of the car is the wiring to your brain.
What would be that plan to launch a stick car without a 2 step? Seems fairly clear without a two step the stick racers are not in the game.
Keep the rpm control but leave with your foot. IMO that's Stock.
Cam Chowen
NHRA 6067
B/FI