History Repeats itself

[Jim D'Amore]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Mike Baker is trying to get a new 2013 V6 Mustang Classified into Pure Stock.

If interested in adding a new car Mike will send you a Classification form.
Just add the information and collaborate with Mike.

FWIW GM is not sending information on the Caddy and other GM Cars.
This was a topic on an earlier posting on Class Racer.

Wonder if NHRA will add the new Impala SS?
Think Racers will have to persist and help IHRA with data.
I feel IHRA will help. Just overwhelmed with other things to do.
Do not think NHRA is interested in seeking these new cars.

I am repeating a rumor so cannot validate but it is said NHRA has not updated the Classification Guide since 2008, except for the new super cars.

I wonder if IHRA would allow a crew of Volunteer Racers to help build Classification Guides?

Dan

Dan,

so only the car manufacturer can have the specs put into the guide book. Basically they control what type of cars we can race?

Jim D'Amore

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Jim D'Amore

Dan,

so only the car manufacturer can have the specs put into the guide book. Basically they control what type of cars we can race?

Jim D'Amore

Pretty much!

[Mike Carr]

I read one topic on here, and overheard another conversation at the track this year. People went to someone at Ford and asked to have some of the other Mustangs put into the Class Guide. The response was "We want CobraJets on the track, racing. Period".

Probably the same for GM and Mopar as well. Pretty sad. A younger person, like me, who goes to the track, watches the Factory SuperCar Showdown or Stock Eliminator and wants to get into Class Racing. They go to NHRA and ask about their own car, and NHRA says "Sorry, your Mustang/Challenger/Camaro//Import/whatever isn't legal to race". The kid asks what he/she has to do, and would basically be told "Go spend six figures on a factory racecar". Since 90+% of todays youth can not afford that, they decide to go race elsewhere. Opportunity lost by NHRA and the OEM's, for not allowing the car(s) that kids DO have, to be able to race with us and no new blood coming into our sport/Classes. Unless it's rich blood. Way to go, dumbasses....

[Lou Jeffery]

Let me start by saying that ALL involvement by the Big three in drag racing is GREAT!!!!! and appreciated. However it would be impossible to defend the horsepower ratings and vehicle weights when comparing actual production cars to factory race cars. Some of the factory race combos are rated lower than 70s smog motors or the current production V-6s.
Late model factory race cars can be understood easier as Assault weapons. They are rated and factored NOT to compete but to ASSAULT other combos.

[Dan Wilson]

Dodge now has the street Challenger 5.7 that is in added to the guide.
Dan

[ALMACK]

For what it is worth:

I sent an e-mail last week to Mike Baker with IHRA about the 2011-2014 Mustang 3.7 V-6 in Pure Stock.

After finding out that the car is not currently allowed in PS, this is what I asked:

"O.K.
Thanks Mike.
Who would submit the specs ?
Would that be Ford Motor Co. ?
Or....does a racer submit those ?

Thanks,
Alan"


This was his response:

"Ford spec obtained from Ford. Sometimes an interested competitor makes it happen"



So it does appear that a class racer could submit engine specs to IHRA for consideration.

However....it appears to me that the sticky point about the new 3.7 V-6 in Pure Stock will be the variable can timing.
Is there any way IHRA can check that ?

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

For what it is worth:

I sent an e-mail last week to Mike Baker with IHRA about the 2011-2014 Mustang 3.7 V-6 in Pure Stock.

After finding out that the car is not currently allowed in PS, this is what I asked:

"O.K.
Thanks Mike.
Who would submit the specs ?
Would that be Ford Motor Co. ?
Or....does a racer submit those ?

Thanks,
Alan"


This was his response:

"Ford spec obtained from Ford. Sometimes an interested competitor makes it happen"



So it does appear that a class racer could submit engine specs to IHRA for consideration.

However....it appears to me that the sticky point about the new 3.7 V-6 in Pure Stock will be the variable can timing.
Is there any way IHRA can check that ?

Would not worry about that.

IT they came with and without would be two different HP ratings.

D

[ShadowLands]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

I read one topic on here, and overheard another conversation at the track this year. People went to someone at Ford and asked to have some of the other Mustangs put into the Class Guide. The response was "We want CobraJets on the track, racing. Period".

Sounds like Kershaw.

[Jesse Kershaw]

Originally Posted by ShadowLands

Sounds like Kershaw.

Not that I recall.

I submitted the GT from 2008 to present and V6 from 2011 to present. They have been in the guide for months.
I'm not aware of anyone racing them.

There are high value combinations in the Cobra Jet line up as well. The 2010 Cobra Jet 4.6l combo for example is very affordable for how fast it can go and it is easy to build as the vast majority of the parts are available from any Ford dealer.

There is always a dilemma when submitting new cars. Make it a value with low initial cost, and competitive, but it will also likely be in classes with older cars. Or make something that is still a value but considerably more expensive and runs against other late models almost exclusively. The vast majority of our customer cars are the latter option but we have always tried to get more price conscious combinations legal for racers to consider.

When I hear what racers pay for clean sheet metal on older cars, what it cost them for the latest trickiest head for their big block, or the difficulty they have in finding 20-30-40 year old parts, I am reminded that the late model cars can be a huge value. Like anything in racing you can spend as much as you want.

I am proud of the job we've done presenting cost effective options, pushing for new faster classes for the late models, posting more contingency than ever for all model years, and putting effort into growing the sport.

[Joseph Teuton]

Originally Posted by Jesse Kershaw

Not that I recall.

I submitted the GT from 2008 to present and V6 from 2011 to present. They have been in the guide for months.
I'm not aware of anyone racing them.

There are high value combinations in the Cobra Jet line up as well. The 2010 Cobra Jet 4.6l combo for example is very affordable for how fast it can go and it is easy to build as the vast majority of the parts are available from any Ford dealer.

There is always a dilemma when submitting new cars. Make it a value with low initial cost, and competitive, but it will also likely be in classes with older cars. Or make something that is still a value but considerably more expensive and runs against other late models almost exclusively. The vast majority of our customer cars are the latter option but we have always tried to get more price conscious combinations legal for racers to consider.

When I hear what racers pay for clean sheet metal on older cars, what it cost them for the latest trickiest head for their big block, or the difficulty they have in finding 20-30-40 year old parts, I am reminded that the late model cars can be a huge value. Like anything in racing you can spend as much as you want.

I am proud of the job we've done presenting cost effective options, pushing for new faster classes for the late models, posting more contingency than ever for all model years, and putting effort into growing the sport.

X2!! Thanks Jessie for your support in drag racing!