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Old 11-17-2013, 05:03 PM   #1
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So the rule will be like the SS rule. Anything that fits, as long as it bolts in the factory location? Going to be impossible to regulate any sizes so sounds like anything goes. Another common sense rule for the good of the racers. What is the next rule to change? Aluminum intakes for all?
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Old 11-17-2013, 05:23 PM   #2
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So the rule will be like the SS rule. Anything that fits, as long as it bolts in the factory location? Going to be impossible to regulate any sizes so sounds like anything goes. Another common sense rule for the good of the racers. What is the next rule to change? Aluminum intakes for all?
Not impossible at all. It's pretty obvious whether a radiator belongs or not.

FYI, there are big block cars with six cylinder radiators in Stock right now.
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Old 11-17-2013, 05:43 PM   #3
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Not impossible at all. It's pretty obvious whether a radiator belongs or not.

FYI, there are big block cars with six cylinder radiators in Stock right now.
Yup, and I can remember whe you would get pitched for that Alan especially in division 2 or 3 Travis and Wesly territory
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There are some tech guys, like Travis and Dave, who know what they're looking at, and would toss offenders if they could.
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I'm wondering when they'll give the go ahead to put the second 'S' on the class designation. The cars are pretty much de facto super stockers as it is.
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Old 11-17-2013, 08:45 PM   #6
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I'll try to shorten this story. On Oct 20th I went to Numidia for T+T to make sure I was ready for the Hagerstown combo that was two weeks away. After the second pass I let the car cool for about 45 minutes while chatting with a racer. I decided to make a timing change and as I was timing it I sprung a leak in the lower part of the radiator, it was frustrating but I had no way of fixing it there. Rather than do my own repair as I have done on many street cars I brought it to the most recommended Rad repair shop in the area, while searching everywhere online and Mopar forums to see if I could find a good one, everything I found was junk. On the Wed before the Hag race, the shop told me it was in poor shape and they couldn't promise it would hold but they could recore it for 500 dollars or 150 to try my luck, I said I'll pass on both options. In my basement I had a 3 core version of the one that was in the car that appeared to be in clean shape, I installed it on Thurs eve and it had a small leak in an outer core. Friday I left work for a couple of hours to repair it myself and as I gently removed some fins to remove the bad core I could see this too was nothing but scrap,it was falling apart, I was pretty depressed at this point and knew I'd be staying home.
I was desperate to get some more runs before winter by going to Island Drag and decided to buy an aluminum replacement to use temporarily that was also a bolt in listed for my Challenger which I'm building for SS.
Here is a link to the unit I bought, it required one 1/4" hole drilled to bolt in. http://www.championradiators.com/product/EC2375
Todd, my 50 year old intake is as good as the day it was made, it's dated 5-63, not the same thing here.
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Old 11-17-2013, 09:28 PM   #7
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My understanding is that in such EPA strongholds as California, it's almost impossible to get an old brass radiator rotted out and repaired. Same reason the days of the chrome plater are pretty much numbered for all but the biggest shops.
I bought a direct replacement aluminum radiator for my AMX while in SS/H off ebay for less than $200. It fills the entire radiator support opening corner to corner, end to end. Cools down a lot faster than the OEM radiator, and is not that much lighter with water. I'm adding a heavy Volvo electric fan and shroud I scored so I'll bet in the end I save no weight at all but I will have a superior cooling system to (hopefully!), go some rounds in the hot days of Arizona.
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Old 11-19-2013, 04:49 PM   #8
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while searching everywhere online and Mopar forums to see if I could find a good one, everything I found was junk.

Mopar stock radiators are covered by a shop in Wisconsin, from rebuilds to complete replacements.
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Old 11-20-2013, 07:53 AM   #9
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I'll try to shorten this story. On Oct 20th I went to Numidia for T+T to make sure I was ready for the Hagerstown combo that was two weeks away. After the second pass I let the car cool for about 45 minutes while chatting with a racer. I decided to make a timing change and as I was timing it I sprung a leak in the lower part of the radiator, it was frustrating but I had no way of fixing it there. Rather than do my own repair as I have done on many street cars I brought it to the most recommended Rad repair shop in the area, while searching everywhere online and Mopar forums to see if I could find a good one, everything I found was junk. On the Wed before the Hag race, the shop told me it was in poor shape and they couldn't promise it would hold but they could recore it for 500 dollars or 150 to try my luck, I said I'll pass on both options. In my basement I had a 3 core version of the one that was in the car that appeared to be in clean shape, I installed it on Thurs eve and it had a small leak in an outer core. Friday I left work for a couple of hours to repair it myself and as I gently removed some fins to remove the bad core I could see this too was nothing but scrap,it was falling apart, I was pretty depressed at this point and knew I'd be staying home.
I was desperate to get some more runs before winter by going to Island Drag and decided to buy an aluminum replacement to use temporarily that was also a bolt in listed for my Challenger which I'm building for SS.
Here is a link to the unit I bought, it required one 1/4" hole drilled to bolt in. http://www.championradiators.com/product/EC2375
Todd, my 50 year old intake is as good as the day it was made, it's dated 5-63, not the same thing here.
Try US Radiator,they have a very good selection.
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Old 11-17-2013, 11:48 PM   #10
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Well it doesn't really matter if the rule is a done deal. Looks like something else to buy this winter. What is the next thing we are looking to change in stock?


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There are some tech guys, like Travis and Dave, who know what they're looking at, and would toss offenders if they could.
My point exactly, no reason to buy a full size radiator. The smallest one that is absolutely needed, should be good for 20 pounds off the front end. I don't feel sorry for the guy that has to spend 500 bucks to get a radiator restored for his 50 year old car. That is the price of playing this game.

I along with others, have been trying to get a replacement cylinder head for my car for the better part of 2 years. The only answer I get from the powers at be is no time and time again. . Apparently the guys who race Pontiacs job is to maintain the integrity and spirit of our class while everybody else gets what they want. My heads cost 2500.00 for a set of cores. At least my radiator will be cheap and light.

It's too bad that guys with 40k plus race cars can't go to the Local Auto Zone and pay 150.00 for a replacement radiator. I'm sorry, I guess now you can. It's all for safety, a quicker running event, good for the economy and the environment. Every day we try to hammer another nail in the coffin of our eleminator, and make our cars closer to super stockers. Good stuff
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