Norwalk SG DQ

Jeff Beckman · 07-15-2013, 06:25 PM

It is enforced so randomly that it's a joke. Slate Cummings in round 1 of stock at the Chicago national event was dead sideways at the finish line. Al Rienhardt even remarked on the pa it was so bad, but no one did squat. I have contended for years that the rules that are in place need to be enforced. From Brad Plourd hanging out of the cage to Sherman Adcock smoking all 4 tires across the finish line. TJ Coughlin crashing at the Gators, or Ron Erks crash in Gainesvile as well years back. Until we kill a couple of folks they won't do Jack Squat.

But I am with Chuck, you hurt me or one of my many friends, you might wanna keep on going!

Chuck Westcott · 07-15-2013, 08:15 PM

Hey Jeffery !
Read the rule- It's Stupid as it is written ! Hit the Brakes smokem up and just don't hit anything and cross the Center Line- Your free to next round, Now that's BS--- and as far as I'm concerned anyone that get's DQed' is done for the event in All classes they Run !- No Exceptions Period- ! Sponsors or Not ! I saw TJ Hit the brakes- lock em up and crash- fortunately it was only Him and I'm sure He learned a valuable lesson. But He should of been disqualified for the rest of the event in all classes for displaying stupidity .

Jeff Beckman · 07-15-2013, 09:50 PM

It's Jeffrey, seriously the intent of the rule needs to be enforced. I was scared for TJ. Glad that all was well.

Brad Plourd · 07-16-2013, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Beckman

It is enforced so randomly that it's a joke. Slate Cummings in round 1 of stock at the Chicago national event was dead sideways at the finish line. Al Rienhardt even remarked on the pa it was so bad, but no one did squat. I have contended for years that the rules that are in place need to be enforced. From Brad Plourd hanging out of the cage to Sherman Adcock smoking all 4 tires across the finish line. TJ Coughlin crashing at the Gators, or Ron Erks crash in Gainesvile as well years back. Until we kill a couple of folks they won't do Jack Squat.

But I am with Chuck, you hurt me or one of my many friends, you might wanna keep on going!

Kinda hard to "hang out of the cage" with a Hybrid head and neck restraint on....

voltdr · 07-16-2013, 05:18 PM

I don't beli eve anyone will "intentionally" lock up their breaks to the point of smoking the tires. However, with all the adrenaline going on at the finish line, it's easy to apply too much pressure and then you are sideways. It doesn't matter if it is due to the track surface or any other condition. If your tires are smoking then you hit the brakes too hard. You should be DQ'd. It happened with my opponent in Pomona 2007. Guy Aquayo, bombed the brakes and crashed behind me at the Winternationals (in a borrowed car). Because he crash after the finish line he was declared the winner. Now that rule has changed. If the rule was enforced, and a few racers were tossed and possible suspensions, it would almost start to police itself for the fear of being on the wrong side of the issue.
Race hard not stupid...........

voltdr · 07-17-2013, 01:55 PM

I also don't think you can use speed as the determining factor for DQing someone. Below is from this years Sportsnationals. Because of an issue I had on the starting line, my speed was down 31 mph. w/o hitting the brakes. There has to be someone (knowledgeable) watching the race, preferably from 1000' or more down track. Back in the day, SoCal ProGas (where SG was born) used to have a racer watch the finish line to decide excessive braking issues.
BTW........Sorry Bart.

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
4698 Dan Foley 403V Bart Nelson
E5 ****WINNER**** 0.035 9.376 145.66 0.012 9.455 143.64
S/C Index: 8.90 (+/-): 0.476 S/C Index: 8.90 (+/-): 0.555

Rick Bailey · 07-17-2013, 05:20 PM

It was said somewhere earler, that they do have guys watching ........ but if no smoke or no crash good to go. The clocks could be the desiding factor for these guys .

Maverick · 07-17-2013, 07:21 PM

I will think seriously about putting in a hand brake that is functions on the rear wheels this winter. Use a 3/4 inch master cylinder, and make it so that you can't lock up the rear brakes, and see what happens. Might be fun, and then use some timers to help me know when. Heck, I not doing any good any way. I would probably use it in practice runs to see how well it works. I don't think the racers that brake, practice enough. They only do it in eliminations. I tried using the parachute, but it was to slow. Of course the brake lights won't be hooked up to the brake lights. Hmmm

sc4400 · 07-22-2013, 03:10 PM

So this is where the rabble hangs out!

Dan I agree with you 100%. Make smoke, hit the gate. I have never stabbed brakes at the finish, hmmm maybe thats why I suck at this? I remember the Belle Rose pictures from a couple years back. The racer in question was concerned because the chatter on the web about the whole deal looked bad for his sponsors. I understand that. But the pictures don't lie.

I saw a SC dragster go barrel rolling over the wall in Reynolds a few years ago. He was about the 3rd pair out Sunday morning. The car broke up like a fuel crash you see on TV. He lived, but it was very sobering to see.
If hurting yourself isn't a concern to you, what about your friend/ fellow racer in the other lane? I don't want stupid on my part to result in my fellow racer being hurt...or worse. But hey, that's just me.

And Bart, you should be DQ'd on general principles...I'll come up with a reason later.LOL

RIP

07-15-2013, 06:25 PM	#1
Jeff Beckman Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Columbus Ohio Posts: 308 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Norwalk SG DQ It is enforced so randomly that it's a joke. Slate Cummings in round 1 of stock at the Chicago national event was dead sideways at the finish line. Al Rienhardt even remarked on the pa it was so bad, but no one did squat. I have contended for years that the rules that are in place need to be enforced. From Brad Plourd hanging out of the cage to Sherman Adcock smoking all 4 tires across the finish line. TJ Coughlin crashing at the Gators, or Ron Erks crash in Gainesvile as well years back. Until we kill a couple of folks they won't do Jack Squat. But I am with Chuck, you hurt me or one of my many friends, you might wanna keep on going! __________________ Jeff Beckman 318J ET, SG 318T SC

07-15-2013, 08:15 PM	#2
Chuck Westcott Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Brownsburg,Indiana Posts: 326 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Norwalk SG DQ Hey Jeffery ! Read the rule- It's Stupid as it is written ! Hit the Brakes smokem up and just don't hit anything and cross the Center Line- Your free to next round, Now that's BS--- and as far as I'm concerned anyone that get's DQed' is done for the event in All classes they Run !- No Exceptions Period- ! Sponsors or Not ! I saw TJ Hit the brakes- lock em up and crash- fortunately it was only Him and I'm sure He learned a valuable lesson. But He should of been disqualified for the rest of the event in all classes for displaying stupidity . __________________ Chuck Westcott- S/C -S/G 225

07-15-2013, 09:50 PM	#3
Jeff Beckman Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Columbus Ohio Posts: 308 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Norwalk SG DQ It's Jeffrey, seriously the intent of the rule needs to be enforced. I was scared for TJ. Glad that all was well. __________________ Jeff Beckman 318J ET, SG 318T SC

07-16-2013, 05:18 PM	#5
voltdr Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 706 Likes: 77 Liked 100 Times in 51 Posts	Re: Norwalk SG DQ I don't beli eve anyone will "intentionally" lock up their breaks to the point of smoking the tires. However, with all the adrenaline going on at the finish line, it's easy to apply too much pressure and then you are sideways. It doesn't matter if it is due to the track surface or any other condition. If your tires are smoking then you hit the brakes too hard. You should be DQ'd. It happened with my opponent in Pomona 2007. Guy Aquayo, bombed the brakes and crashed behind me at the Winternationals (in a borrowed car). Because he crash after the finish line he was declared the winner. Now that rule has changed. If the rule was enforced, and a few racers were tossed and possible suspensions, it would almost start to police itself for the fear of being on the wrong side of the issue. Race hard not stupid...........

07-17-2013, 01:55 PM	#6
voltdr Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 706 Likes: 77 Liked 100 Times in 51 Posts	Re: Norwalk SG DQ I also don't think you can use speed as the determining factor for DQing someone. Below is from this years Sportsnationals. Because of an issue I had on the starting line, my speed was down 31 mph. w/o hitting the brakes. There has to be someone (knowledgeable) watching the race, preferably from 1000' or more down track. Back in the day, SoCal ProGas (where SG was born) used to have a racer watch the finish line to decide excessive braking issues. BTW........Sorry Bart. Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed 4698 Dan Foley 403V Bart Nelson E5 **WINNER** 0.035 9.376 145.66 0.012 9.455 143.64 S/C Index: 8.90 (+/-): 0.476 S/C Index: 8.90 (+/-): 0.555

07-17-2013, 05:20 PM	#7
Rick Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 502 Likes: 5 Liked 10 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Norwalk SG DQ It was said somewhere earler, that they do have guys watching ........ but if no smoke or no crash good to go. The clocks could be the desiding factor for these guys . __________________ Rick Bailey 3439 SC

07-17-2013, 07:21 PM	#8
Maverick Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 299 Likes: 3 Liked 36 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Norwalk SG DQ I will think seriously about putting in a hand brake that is functions on the rear wheels this winter. Use a 3/4 inch master cylinder, and make it so that you can't lock up the rear brakes, and see what happens. Might be fun, and then use some timers to help me know when. Heck, I not doing any good any way. I would probably use it in practice runs to see how well it works. I don't think the racers that brake, practice enough. They only do it in eliminations. I tried using the parachute, but it was to slow. Of course the brake lights won't be hooked up to the brake lights. Hmmm Last edited by Maverick; 07-17-2013 at 07:40 PM.

07-22-2013, 03:10 PM	#9
sc4400 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: lake Charles La Posts: 28 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Norwalk SG DQ So this is where the rabble hangs out! Dan I agree with you 100%. Make smoke, hit the gate. I have never stabbed brakes at the finish, hmmm maybe thats why I suck at this? I remember the Belle Rose pictures from a couple years back. The racer in question was concerned because the chatter on the web about the whole deal looked bad for his sponsors. I understand that. But the pictures don't lie. I saw a SC dragster go barrel rolling over the wall in Reynolds a few years ago. He was about the 3rd pair out Sunday morning. The car broke up like a fuel crash you see on TV. He lived, but it was very sobering to see. If hurting yourself isn't a concern to you, what about your friend/ fellow racer in the other lane? I don't want stupid on my part to result in my fellow racer being hurt...or worse. But hey, that's just me. And Bart, you should be DQ'd on general principles...I'll come up with a reason later.LOL RIP

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