Stock by class

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by stockracer

Dick I do agree with you on most things...You CAN NOT get rid of heads-ups...It is what class racing is based on...But Top/SS and Top/S is only the fast cars, and Im not kiddin when I say &200,000 to get in. But, lets make it 9.0 breaks in SS and 10.5 in Stock... Get more than the few cars that are already involved...There arnt many of those fast cars that can reach the min weight in Top/SS in my part of the country...BUT if you get all the cars in the 9.0-10.0 breaks, I think it would take off out here! Just an Idea!

I hate to break the news to you, but at Bowling Green, in Top Stock, there was not a car there that came close to $200K. Not even $100K. And so long as the rules remain the same, ie. the car MUST be entered in the NHRA event where Top Stock is running, and must pass tech, the only time you will see $200K cars is when someone decides to race a rare original car, like Borgstrom's Chevelle, or one of the real Hemi or Shelby cars.

[stockracer]

Alan...Being as I wasnt there, and only have second hand info, your could be right...But from the way that arts car/cars are described to me...It was my assumption, based on appearance and et that to build a car of this caliber, 200,000 wasnt a bad guess...I mean if you have to spend 100,000 on a cavalier that runs a small block GT class, whats a big block muscle car cost to build? It was only my assumption...

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by stockracer

Alan...Being as I wasnt there, and only have second hand info, your could be right...But from the way that arts car/cars are described to me...It was my assumption, based on appearance and et that to build a car of this caliber, 200,000 wasnt a bad guess...I mean if you have to spend 100,000 on a cavalier that runs a small block GT class, whats a big block muscle car cost to build? It was only my assumption...

You didn't read my post. I said there weren't any $200K cars in TOP STOCK. I did not mention TOP SUPER STOCK.

There probably aren't ANY of the really fast cars in SUPER STOCK, capable of running Top SUPER STOCK that are not VERY expensive. Art's cars, that were in Top Super Stock, are both Corvettes, and sure, they're expensive. So was the Mopar that won. Any A, B, C, or really, even D class car is going to be expensive.

Still, the crowd loved BOTH Top Super Stock AND Top Stock, and the fast cars in Top Stock were generally under $50K. The guys who raced it had a blast. For a race with a VERY weak turnout, due as much to a holiday weekend, the two classes did well. It should be VERY obvious to anyone who is actually paying attention, and has any real knowledge, that the Top Stock and Top Super Stock program is VERY good for sportsman racers, look at the class car count in Division 1.

And the way the two classes are to be run, they do not take anything away from Stock OR Super Stock. They are bonus races. Not one thin dime of money is taken from the regular classes, none. They (the other Stock and Super Stock cars)do not get shorted a time trial either. Or a parking space. And since the cars running Top Stock and Top Super Stock have to run "on kill" in order to win, they aren't getting an EXTRA time shot either. Trust me, I was there, and working on a Top Stock car, AND I put my money where my mouth is and put up money towards the purse. We WORKED to run Top Stock, every single qualifying shot, and it didn't do a thing for our regular program. We just had fun running an extra race and trying to go fast with no breakout.

[stockracer]

Alan...I was refering to top/ss, guess I should have clarified. But, whats the price for a winning top/stock car...Not just a car that enters, makes a few passes, but a car that will win? My whole point is that you cant save the sport with cars that only 10% of the people can afford to run. Of course most superstock guys could sell there stuff and buy a A/SA camaro and run heads up, but top/ss is only feasible for a few. From what I understand that jr. stock class in D-1 was pretty cool, more realistic, more people can run with average cars...I think maybe smith won in the fox body, and youve got camaros, corvettes, and basically any e-f-g-h-i cars running. And I would be willin to bet that to build a car that will run 10.30's (wj) in the weather yall had, to buy motor, trans, car, evrything would prolly be around 80,000 or more...How far off am I?

[Jim Wahl]

Alan, I agree with you 100%! I would much rather have Top Stock and Top Super Stock down here in Div. 2 than the Top Dragster, Top Comp and Top Golf Cart crap we have now! In fact I wish we DID have T/S & T/SS here. Everybody knows Top Dragster is nothing more than Super Comp car who turn off the stutter boxes. Div.2 should be doing things more like Div.1 anyway.Jim

[Bill Belden]

My 1 1/2 cents
Cars are built to fit a class the person wants to run, if he is the only one in the class so what, it's not his fault.
I do agree that the fuel injected cars should be placed back in with the non-injected cars to reduce the classes.
I totaly disagree with combining classes just to get more heads up runs.

And one last thing, people who don't race these classes should not have a say in it

[Mike Meier]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Maybe if border security was tighter, we wouldn't have to worry.

LOL, just messing with you man. For sure, the Sunbird fears the Canadian Escort Service. Still can't get it to within close of the minimum weight for E. At least when I bought Tom Kasch's car, I am safe in D (I think). You and Sibernick would probably be a good race.

Thanks for throwing me under the Escort Mikey...lol.

Really theres no sense in going to Indy with a car that only goes -.300, let alone take off a week from a job with a tight schedule. I'm not too far over the minimum weight either, it's just that ithe Sunbird doesnt work too well as a EF/S at the 25.00 weight break. I would have been happier if they had just consolidated the FWDs with the RWDs a few years ago because from what I remember there was gonna be Z/SA at a 27.5 weight break which would have meant the Bird's index would have been close to the HF/SA index of 18.60. When they finally do combine the classes I hope they put that proposal out there again. Then you will see the Sunbird at Indy again.

But I digress....I am not opposed to running heads up against the other EF/S cars. There's a 50-50 chance I will attend the Dutch this year. Will they make the trip too?

Mike Meier EF/S

[Bruce Schoenbaechler]

Hey Capt. Jack.....didn't See Carlton Sweasy's Name On The List. Is He Sitting This One Out?

[Just Observing]

Originally Posted by Bruce Schoenbaechler

Hey Capt. Jack.....didn't See Carlton Sweasy's Name On The List. Is He Sitting This One Out?

No he has a hired gun, Matt Forbes, driving for him at Indy.

[Bill Howell]

Does anyone know if the FWD cars are planning to stay entered in the classes on the list? I may bring my FWD car instead of my Mustang if the faster engine is not ready for the Mustang and don't want to upset the apple cart. I can run B, C or D with it.