A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013

5919 SSKA · 02-08-2013, 01:27 PM

I understand the MATH Glenn, I just would hope the Class cars show up to have a good payout. What I've never understood is how a track like Thunder Valley (which is like driving down Hwy 10) can get 40+ cars, and BIR...a Top NHRA facility struggles to get a 32 car field. I HOPE this NEW program fixes the car count issue.

BIR's Bracket program/payout is FANTASTIC! $65 entry per/day ($25 gate fee), $2000 win (after run off). Of course, that's 2-3 rounds more to WIN to get there. So on the Bracket side, you can pay $155 for the weekend and run for a guaranteed $4000.

Just have to figure out which car I bring up for the events.

novassdude · 02-08-2013, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5919 SSKA

I understand the MATH Glenn, I just would hope the Class cars show up to have a good payout. What I've never understood is how a track like Thunder Valley (which is like driving down Hwy 10) can get 40+ cars, and BIR...a Top NHRA facility struggles to get a 32 car field. I HOPE this NEW program fixes the car count issue.

BIR's Bracket program/payout is FANTASTIC! $65 entry per/day ($25 gate fee), $2000 win (after run off). Of course, that's 2-3 rounds more to WIN to get there. So on the Bracket side, you can pay $155 for the weekend and run for a guaranteed $4000.

Just have to figure out which car I bring up for the events.

Thunder Valley does it by having a very hard working group raise extra money for the purse. I am sure if you did the same more racers would show up at BIR.

Makes no real difference to me as I will probably be off playing on the trails with the RZR instead or racing.

MEXJOE · 02-08-2013, 03:07 PM

to answer Travis' question....
""What I've never understood is how a track like Thunder Valley (which is like driving down Hwy 10) can get 40+ cars, and BIR...a Top NHRA facility struggles to get a 32 car field. I HOPE this NEW program fixes the car count issue.""

I can answer this for you very simply...
The racers in the Thunder Valley area, who own cars, go to the track and race their cars!
That's how you get a good car count. It's that simple!
That is the fix for the car count issue.

Glen DeMenge

[quote=5919 SSKA;368319]What I've never understood is how a track like Thunder Valley (which is like driving down Hwy 10) can get 40+ cars, and BIR...a Top NHRA facility struggles to get a 32 car field. I HOPE this NEW program fixes the car count issue.

5919 SSKA · 02-08-2013, 03:48 PM

Glenn I hope your not pointing fingers at me with regards to showing up to races. Between my bracket car and super stocker, in an average year I run 14-16 events and have since the late 90s. Double entering S/P and Pro...and even tripple entering a couple of times when someone else could haul my Super Stocker.

As for rasing funds for our S/SS combo's if any of you recall I had one of my sponsors post a fun 'contingency' for $300 W/$100 R-U years ago when BIR tried to run a BIG $ S/SS combo. I didn't even race S/SS back then! We paid out over $1,000 in 2 years. Between Brackets and S/SS. Last year at the National Open at Top End I had another sponsor of mine give away a couple of Certificates to his chassis shop. As well the year prior, when I tried to organize an event there and only had 10 cars show...3 of those out of MY shop. On top of the countless 'fish fry's/pot luck's' I've hosted.

I run all over Division 5 and some of Division 3 chasing MY Super Stock dreams. I'm happy doing what I do. I like the travel and to meet different racer's. BIR IS MY HOME TRACK...make no mistake about it. It's the best facility in our area. However, YOU asked for our thoughts at the beginning.......I just simply told you MY opinion. I for one, like to know what I'm racing for before I pull through the gates! Not the, if there's this many it pays this, or if there's more it pays this. If I know the program, then it's MY decision if I race at the track or not. Nobody will ever be able to convince me that running a Super Stocker or high dollar Stocker for that matter, for anything less than $1,000 to WIN makes sense....just MY opinion.

I talked to the owner just a bit ago on a social media site...average car count in 2012 was 25....just an FYI.

MN racer's tend to support the Midwest Classracer's events at Thunder Valley because they 'guarantee' a payout. Now that being said, now that BIR has stepped to the plate and offered up a 2-day event....will the Midwest Classracer's turn around an support OUR home track back???

442OLDS · 02-08-2013, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5919 SSKA

Nobody will ever be able to convince me that running a Super Stocker or high dollar Stocker for that matter, for anything less than $1,000 to WIN makes sense....just MY opinion.

Good luck with that.

Scott Dugdale · 02-08-2013, 05:58 PM

All,

Lately, I have had a lot of discussions with Track Owners, Managers and local S/SS organizations regarding local S/SS races at multiple tracks located in the Division 5 area. There has also been lots of discussion from the USA organization and Midwest Class Racers organization to have good payouts at most of these events. We have a VERY GOOD opportunity with BIR with the S/SS program. In the past we were able to have a single race on each weekend and now we have a chance to try two day races throughout the 2013 season at BIR. The June 7th - 9th race was dropped since it was the week after the BIR divisional and conflicted with the Midwest Class Racer event at Thunder Valley in Marion, SD.

The payout listed below is for the 2013 season at BIR for S/SS.

The following will be the formula for all pro-rated payouts for 2013.
Total payout=85% of "racer entry" x "number of racers"
Round 3 payout = racer entry
Round 4 payout - racer entry x 2
Round 5 payout = racer entry x4
Round 6 payout = racer entry x 6
The remaining balance is split 1/3 R/U, 2/3 Winner

Based on $90 entry

32 Entries
Rd 3 $90
Rd 4 $180
R/U $576
Winner $1152

45 Entries
Rd 3 $90
Rd 4 $180
Rd 5 $360
R/U $667
Winner $1335

64 Entries
Rd 3 $90
Rd 4 $180
Rd 5 $360
R/U $912
Winner $1824

MEXJOE · 02-08-2013, 06:23 PM

Thanks Scott!
my post was all jarbeld-up.
This is much more clear on what the pay out will be!!
THANKS!!

Glen DeMenge

ZenzenRacing · 02-08-2013, 06:33 PM

As far as the June race, have the Midwest Guys ever supported BIR at the S/SS Events?? Why cancel that race for S/SS ?

Kerby · 02-08-2013, 08:07 PM

If No Show Joe is comming back racing count Me in. Joe you'll have to pass Teck so you need new Belts and in your case new suspenders too.
and $90 Toad Skins for each day.

Travis this race will pay the same if not more then a Division the only thing if you win you don't get a Wally, Maybe Glen can print some up
and whoever win's then you can plaster on your Car or Trailer.

For the track I know that Dan, Steve, & Ryan have the track as good as any track that I have Raced at and I've race at alot in the past years !!

Just My Thoughts Kerby

J DeForrest · 02-08-2013, 09:28 PM

Definitely sounds good! Thanks to Glen,Scott, and whoever else worked to make this happen. I know I am much more likely to hit more events there this year because of this.

Jason

02-08-2013, 01:27 PM	#1
5919 SSKA Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN Posts: 284 Likes: 20 Liked 19 Times in 5 Posts	Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013 I understand the MATH Glenn, I just would hope the Class cars show up to have a good payout. What I've never understood is how a track like Thunder Valley (which is like driving down Hwy 10) can get 40+ cars, and BIR...a Top NHRA facility struggles to get a 32 car field. I HOPE this NEW program fixes the car count issue. BIR's Bracket program/payout is FANTASTIC! $65 entry per/day ($25 gate fee), $2000 win (after run off). Of course, that's 2-3 rounds more to WIN to get there. So on the Bracket side, you can pay $155 for the weekend and run for a guaranteed $4000. Just have to figure out which car I bring up for the events. __________________ Racing web page

02-08-2013, 03:07 PM	#3
MEXJOE Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: nhranumbers.com Posts: 875 Likes: 137 Liked 165 Times in 51 Posts	Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013 to answer Travis' question.... ""What I've never understood is how a track like Thunder Valley (which is like driving down Hwy 10) can get 40+ cars, and BIR...a Top NHRA facility struggles to get a 32 car field. I HOPE this NEW program fixes the car count issue."" I can answer this for you very simply... The racers in the Thunder Valley area, who own cars, go to the track and race their cars! That's how you get a good car count. It's that simple! That is the fix for the car count issue. Glen DeMenge [quote=5919 SSKA;368319]What I've never understood is how a track like Thunder Valley (which is like driving down Hwy 10) can get 40+ cars, and BIR...a Top NHRA facility struggles to get a 32 car field. I HOPE this NEW program fixes the car count issue. Last edited by MEXJOE; 02-08-2013 at 03:11 PM.

02-08-2013, 03:48 PM	#4
5919 SSKA Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN Posts: 284 Likes: 20 Liked 19 Times in 5 Posts	Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013 Glenn I hope your not pointing fingers at me with regards to showing up to races. Between my bracket car and super stocker, in an average year I run 14-16 events and have since the late 90s. Double entering S/P and Pro...and even tripple entering a couple of times when someone else could haul my Super Stocker. As for rasing funds for our S/SS combo's if any of you recall I had one of my sponsors post a fun 'contingency' for $300 W/$100 R-U years ago when BIR tried to run a BIG $ S/SS combo. I didn't even race S/SS back then! We paid out over $1,000 in 2 years. Between Brackets and S/SS. Last year at the National Open at Top End I had another sponsor of mine give away a couple of Certificates to his chassis shop. As well the year prior, when I tried to organize an event there and only had 10 cars show...3 of those out of MY shop. On top of the countless 'fish fry's/pot luck's' I've hosted. I run all over Division 5 and some of Division 3 chasing MY Super Stock dreams. I'm happy doing what I do. I like the travel and to meet different racer's. BIR IS MY HOME TRACK...make no mistake about it. It's the best facility in our area. However, YOU asked for our thoughts at the beginning.......I just simply told you MY opinion. I for one, like to know what I'm racing for before I pull through the gates! Not the, if there's this many it pays this, or if there's more it pays this. If I know the program, then it's MY decision if I race at the track or not. Nobody will ever be able to convince me that running a Super Stocker or high dollar Stocker for that matter, for anything less than $1,000 to WIN makes sense....just MY opinion. I talked to the owner just a bit ago on a social media site...average car count in 2012 was 25....just an FYI. MN racer's tend to support the Midwest Classracer's events at Thunder Valley because they 'guarantee' a payout. Now that being said, now that BIR has stepped to the plate and offered up a 2-day event....will the Midwest Classracer's turn around an support OUR home track back??? __________________ Racing web page Last edited by 5919 SSKA; 02-08-2013 at 03:53 PM. Reason: add text

02-08-2013, 05:58 PM	#6
Scott Dugdale Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 129 Likes: 0 Liked 57 Times in 20 Posts	Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013 All, Lately, I have had a lot of discussions with Track Owners, Managers and local S/SS organizations regarding local S/SS races at multiple tracks located in the Division 5 area. There has also been lots of discussion from the USA organization and Midwest Class Racers organization to have good payouts at most of these events. We have a VERY GOOD opportunity with BIR with the S/SS program. In the past we were able to have a single race on each weekend and now we have a chance to try two day races throughout the 2013 season at BIR. The June 7th - 9th race was dropped since it was the week after the BIR divisional and conflicted with the Midwest Class Racer event at Thunder Valley in Marion, SD. The payout listed below is for the 2013 season at BIR for S/SS. The following will be the formula for all pro-rated payouts for 2013. Total payout=85% of "racer entry" x "number of racers" Round 3 payout = racer entry Round 4 payout - racer entry x 2 Round 5 payout = racer entry x4 Round 6 payout = racer entry x 6 The remaining balance is split 1/3 R/U, 2/3 Winner Based on $90 entry 32 Entries Rd 3 $90 Rd 4 $180 R/U $576 Winner $1152 45 Entries Rd 3 $90 Rd 4 $180 Rd 5 $360 R/U $667 Winner $1335 64 Entries Rd 3 $90 Rd 4 $180 Rd 5 $360 R/U $912 Winner $1824

02-08-2013, 06:23 PM	#7
MEXJOE Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: nhranumbers.com Posts: 875 Likes: 137 Liked 165 Times in 51 Posts	Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013 Thanks Scott! my post was all jarbeld-up. This is much more clear on what the pay out will be!! THANKS!! Glen DeMenge

02-08-2013, 06:33 PM	#8
ZenzenRacing Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 263 Likes: 270 Liked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013 As far as the June race, have the Midwest Guys ever supported BIR at the S/SS Events?? Why cancel that race for S/SS ?

02-08-2013, 08:07 PM	#9
Kerby Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: MN / FLA Posts: 51 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013 If No Show Joe is comming back racing count Me in. Joe you'll have to pass Teck so you need new Belts and in your case new suspenders too. and $90 Toad Skins for each day. Travis this race will pay the same if not more then a Division the only thing if you win you don't get a Wally, Maybe Glen can print some up and whoever win's then you can plaster on your Car or Trailer. For the track I know that Dan, Steve, & Ryan have the track as good as any track that I have Raced at and I've race at alot in the past years !! Just My Thoughts Kerby

02-08-2013, 09:28 PM	#10
J DeForrest Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ramsey, MN Posts: 112 Likes: 95 Liked 73 Times in 18 Posts	Re: A ? about 2 day S/SS events at BIR IN 2013 Definitely sounds good! Thanks to Glen,Scott, and whoever else worked to make this happen. I know I am much more likely to hit more events there this year because of this. Jason __________________ superstock5150@gmail.com

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