Christmas continues for MOPAR rsacers

[GTX JOHN]

The two 318 Combos are 2 Barrel with small carb and manifold.
They are not like the later 230 HP with a Thermoquad Combo.
We were never able to run under the index with with the two barrel
on our car Although it run over a second under with the four barrel
combo on top of the engine.
I do not think a few horsepower is not going to put them in top
16. What it may do is let a couple cars compete that I know of that
otherwisecould not run the index. The 69 and 73 Combos are 2 Barrel ONLY
and not able to run 4 Barrel (Four Barrel starts 78).

[Paul Wong]

Originally Posted by GTX JOHN

The two 318 Combos are 2 Barrel with small carb and manifold.
They are not like the later 230 HP with a Thermoquad Combo.
We were never able to run under the index with with the two barrel
on our car Although it run over a second under with the four barrel
combo on top of the engine.
I do not think a few horsepower is not going to put them in top
16. What it may do is let a couple cars compete that I know of that
otherwisecould not run the index. The 69 and 73 Combos are 2 Barrel ONLY
and not able to run 4 Barrel (Four Barrel starts 78).

I think I see one that will run really hard. We will see soon because i am going to put one of them together. I am positive the one two barrel combo will go one second under plus and then some.

[Sam Capizzi Jr]

Originally Posted by Paul Wong

I think I see one that will run really hard. We will see soon because i am going to put one of them together. I am positive the one two barrel combo will go one second under plus and then some.

I know which one your not going to build lmao. I don't understand how you can have more compression and less hp.

[Billy Nees]

That 69 Dart is suddenly a very good "dime rocket".

[GTX JOHN]

Sam: What year combo and Horsepower is your
318 2 Brl. have you been running? I knew but
I can not remember.

[Sam Capizzi Jr]

Originally Posted by GTX JOHN

Sam: What year combo and Horsepower is your
318 2 Brl. have you been running? I knew but
I can not remember.

73 dart

[Jeff Lee]

What I don't understand is why this is specific to a 1969 & 1973 Dart (only)? I
As far as I know, the 1967-1971 318 2bbl is identical from year to year. If not 1967-1971 at least several years are identical with the only deviation possibly a carb?
And the 1972 318 2bbl is the same as a 1973 2bbl (and possibly the 1974 318 2bbl?).
And why do Dart's get this new HP and not Valliants? Seems to me this should be all "A" body's with 318 2bbl's and auto trans; with the higher compression pre-1972 separated from the lower compression 1972 engines and later with similar specifications.

[Dave Gantz]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

That 69 Dart is suddenly a very good "dime rocket".

You're obviously a respected player in this game, Billy. But, good 69 Darts, and the parts needed, are getting a little scarce, don't you think? -Don't get me wrong, I love seeing combos that were never good before, become good. I never understood why so many cars weren't good before. I guess it had something to do with the muscle cars versus any other stock car. "Stock" was maybe about muscle cars, and not so much all of the other cars that we grew up with and were plenty happy to race , though NHRA didn't see it the same way.

[SStockDart]

There is a Division 5 guy that is always at the Topeka Nationals (with his family).....his car is a P/SA...I believe a 69 Dart....what does that make it, a 318 2 bbl? He is always there and I have often wanted to help him in one way or another....he can't run within .4 of the index. However, If I remember correctly, he went to the finals at Kearney, Nebraska race in the fall. Seems like he had 2 red lights and a broken car race against him......what a great story for a Dime rocket that can't run the index.

I said that all that to say this......This guy obviously does not have the money to commit to racing (great looking family), but he goes racing....isn't that what it is all about.....I don't know if his combo could become competitive, but that is what he races. However, I would bet that about $500 in engine work would get him to the index or better with his 2 bbl car.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dave Gantz

You're obviously a respected player in this game, Billy. But, good 69 Darts, and the parts needed, are getting a little scarce, don't you think?

If you have to buy a nice Dart GT or any kind of 2dr yes. If I were wanting to do something like that I wouldn't want to cut up a nice survivor car anyway. At this stage of the game, I really don't approve of cutting up nice, semi-collectible cars. NHRA has given racers that have an existing car and can't afford a 340/440 car or banged their 15k 340 and want to go racing an alternative.
The reduction (for this combo) is given across the board. You can do a 4dr Dart or Coronet or a big wagon and they can be found reasonably.
If you're willing to do a "different" engine combo then why not a "different" body style?