Intelligent speculation needed

[Bruce Fulper]

Children - my name is as clear as a mountain stream. Complete with bear whiz. (you)

Jeremey - thanks for a non-attack response. But I'm leaving this pile and going where other normal cats hang out.

[FlyingW]

Hello to all,

1st of all I do think peter is on of the all time great's....I thought that well before me and him both got K&N as a sponsor............in all of this the key word to what this is worth is yet..... Give peter another 10 -15 years and some one will pay big money for this car,maybe not a racer but a FAN..........I have a piece of history that we are ready to repaint and show but 30 years ago it was not worth as much as it is now, it's worth more sitting on 4 flat tire's and covered in dust.......due to time. It's dad's 1969 W-31 convertable Factory backed oldsmobile that he drove for the smothers brothers team. why is this car valuble??????? HISTORY,
1. a 5 car stk factory backed team...not Super stock but Stock
2.It was the 1st dream team of racing with T/F team mates of Garlit's,Dwight Salisbury
and the stock team, Willard Wright,Pete Kost,Ron Garey,LoyedWoodland,and
Jimmy Waibel
3. There was only 26 W-31 conv. ever made
4. Dad is now in the Hall of Fame
5. Oldsmobile is no more.
So at the end of the 1969 season there was not that much value in these car's But now 30 years later I am willing to bet there is an oldsmobile fan out there that will give me alot of money for this car.. Maybe not a "racer" but a fan.

my thoughts on this matter...........
Jeremy Waibel
K&N 69 Camaro
NHRA B/SA 2231

[RocketBlock]

Originally Posted by FlyingW

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There was only 26 W-31 conv. ever made

my thoughts on this matter...........
Jeremy Waibel
K&N 69 Camaro
NHRA B/SA 2231

You can stop there. The car you own is worth a lot of money standing on it's own. It may have more value as a historical car. But having a W-31 convertible is worth a lot, no matter what year produced. Pull up www.traderonline.com or KBB.com. Look and see how much 1982-1992 Firebirds are worth. Now go to NADA.com. look up w-31 convertibles.

1969 W-31 Convertible has a high retail value of $62,545.

Kelly Blue Book shows a 1987 T/A with a 5.7L TPI, 97,000 miles (average) and every option in the book at high retail of $2,975.00. Same options but a base f-bird with a 5.0L engine is $2,520.00. If Jegs, Biondo, Fletcher or any of the other recognizeable name drivers of today had a SS/GT mid-80's Firebird for sale today what would it be worth? $25,000 to $35,000. That would be winning drivers selling today's technology today. And assuredly they would be cars that have not only won class at Indy, they probably would have stayed for the race and passed a teardown before winning the race.

The car was wrecked in the today. Insurance companies do not pay out on "future value".

[Bunkster]

Mr. Waibel, there is no way....absolutely no way, some car from a Biondo, or any of the other current-day hot dogs, will ever be worth anything close to what your Dad's car is worth.

It is vulgar to suggest a truly historic piece such as your Father's W31, is on an equal plateau with some boring-***, cookie cutter, SS/Bowel/Movement car of today.

The only thing memorable from "Hatari", was John Wayne and Red Buttons.