I Told You So!

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

. Come on Eddie....is it so hard to say he was wrongly accused????? He passed the police lie detector on all questions.....including "did you fear for your life". That is good enough for me but apparently not good for the black community. .

Gary, I think he is wrongly accused of 2nd degree murder, the preliminary evidence does not support it! Lie detectors are no good enough in a court of law, only in the court of public opinion. My point is procedure and the merits of using a lie detector. Could the defense be using the release to bias any future jurors?

Mr. Zimmerman was a member of the Community "Watch" and not a member of the Community "Shoot", when he got out of his car (armed) his role changed! In my mind, he needs to be accountable for that.

You think it may be a little damage control after he lied to a judge?

Eddie

[NewHemi]

As a Block Watch founder and Captain, with an acknoeledge card and direct training from the local Police, I can tell you that having to be constantly aware of drug deals, and having strange people cutting through your property, stealing from and damaging your vehicles, and breaking into your home, makes you a bit "sensitive" to what goes on in your neighborhood.

I purposely moved into this aging and transitioning neighborhood to make a difference. And I made a big difference. I am not bragging, just trying to make a point, that I believe that nothing more benefits evil, than for good people to do nothing. I refuse to stand by and let things bad happen, if I have a chance to change them

If you live in a nice peaceful area, and have never had to confront these issues yourself, you are a liberal know nothing who just wants to fan the flames because a black kid got killed.

The story, which has not been disproved, is that when Zimmerman left his car, it was to see where Travon was going, not to confront him. As he was returning to his car, Zimmerman was confronted by Travon, attacked and put Zimmerman in fear. In fact, he would not have pulled his gun, if Travon had not gone for it first, telling Ximmerman that he was going to die. Then, laying on his back with his head bloodied from being banged on the sidewalk, Zimmerman got his gun before Travon could get it, and shot him.

An eye witness will testify. And if he upholds Zimmerman's explanations of what happen, Zimmerman should walk.

Being black doesn't automatically make Travon a victim, nor does being white automatically make Zimmerman a murderer.

This is an unfortunate situation all around.

But without proof of guilt, and with an indictment that should get the Prosecutor disbarred, Zimmernan should be found not guilty pf everything including jay walking, which may be the only thing he really did do wrong.

He defended himself and his neighnorhood. I respect that. When I cought a group of young men having broken my car window and going through everything in my car in my driveway, they found out that the signs in the yard about neighborhood watch, meant that we do watch. And my gun meant that I was prepared not only to watch but to defend my life and property. When the police I had called arrived to find these three men sitting on the curb waiting for them, with three knives and one gun on the ground in front of them, and me standing behind them with a shot gun, they found three young men happy to see the police. And the police, all of whom I knew, said this should solve a rash of similar crimes in the neighborhood.

So my point is this, Zimmerman had every right to assure that his neighborhood was safe. He had every right to carry a licensed weapon. And Travon had no reason, except a bad attitude, to confront Zimmerman, attack him, and expect to walk away.

In my neighborhood, word got around that there a cray old guy who had gins, so don't mess around those houses. We made it a better place.

Once again, it is sad that Travon died. Any life lost is sad. But just because he is black doesn't make him innocent of any wrong doing.

So get over the conjecture, and wait for the evidence to be presented, and then see if real "justice" is done.

David
The New Hemi Guy

[Eddies66]

The fact that Zimmerman was armed and pursued Martin did violate sanford police neighborhood watch directives. last September, he invited police to the complex and presided where an officer in charge of the program offered a power point presentation. They emphasized that neighborhood watch volunteers were not to pursue suspects or carry weapons, an instruction that zimmerman disregarded on the night of the confrontation with Mr. Martin.

Mr. Zimmerman was instructed in the "rules of engagement".

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

The fact that Zimmerman was armed and pursued Martin did violate sanford police neighborhood watch directives. last September, he invited police to the complex and presided where an officer in charge of the program offered a power point presentation. They emphasized that neighborhood watch volunteers were not to pursue suspects or carry weapons, an instruction that zimmerman disregarded on the night of the confrontation with Mr. Martin.

Mr. Zimmerman was instructed in the "rules of engagement".

Neither of those two points were against the law. The point that the police make by saying for the watch members should not carry a gun means just being a watch member doesn't give them the right to carry. The fact that Zimmerman is licensed to carry and I can say that were I Zimmerman I would have been carrying also. If he had not been carrying he would have been the dead one that night. Martin had no problem with being the killer, being the want-a-be thug that he was. Nothing Eddie can say proves any different. The known facts and the witnesses back Zimmerman up..... period. I'm sure Eddie and the Black Kitty Cats (panthers) would much rather it be a Hispanic that died that night for the heinous crime of doing his job as a Community Watch Member rather than the poor 12 year old little innocent Black child..... oh, wait a minute... oh yeah he was a 17 year old tattooed, gold toothed thug. As I said before, you have the right to your own thoughts but you don't have the right to your own facts. They are what they are and that just infuriates the Left. Jim

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[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Neither of those two points were against the law. The point that the police make by saying for the watch members should not carry a gun means just being a watch member doesn't give them the right to carry. The fact that Zimmerman is licensed to carry and I can say that were I Zimmerman I would have been carrying also. If he had not been carrying he would have been the dead one that night. Martin had no problem with being the killer, being the want-a-be thug that he was. Nothing Eddie can say proves any different. The known facts and the witnesses back Zimmerman up..... period. I'm sure Eddie and the Black Kitty Cats (panthers) would much rather it be a Hispanic that died that night for the heinous crime of doing his job as a Community Watch Member rather than the poor 12 year old little innocent Black child..... oh, wait a minute... oh yeah he was a 17 year old tattooed, gold toothed thug. As I said before, you have the right to your own thoughts but you don't have the right to your own facts. They are what they are and that just infuriates the Left. Jim

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Why do you need to place my name with the Black Panthers, to what end? I have no association or need to be associated with any radical group (right or left). Did I say anything about Zimmerman being a Hispanic, or even care! I do care about people taking the law into their own hands and acting as judge, jury, and prosecutor based on their value system. What part of "you don't need to do that" did he not understand.

Would you justify the actions of LT Calley, of the MyLai incident, who knew the rules of engagement. It was the military prosecution's contention that Calley, in defiance of the rules of engagement, ordered his men to deliberately murder unarmed Vietnamese civilians despite the fact that his men were not under enemy fire at all. If you knew the rules of engagement and you took it on yourself to ignore them, you are than accountable for your actions.

Fact, he lied to a judge and he has seen the back of a Crown Vic, more than once. He lacks integrity and nothing that comes out of his pie-hole is worthy of consideration.

Will he ever be convicted of 2nd degree murder.......NO, NEVER! The good citizens of Florida need Zimmerman as models of what is right in their minds. ROCK ON!

George Michael Zimmerman’s Criminal Record


Search Menu New Criminal Search Click Here Location : Orange CountyRecord Count:4Search By: Defendant Exact Name: on Party Search Mode: Name Last Name: Zimmerman First Name: George Case Status: All Sort By: Filed Date Case NumberCitation NumberDefendant InfoFiled/Location/Judicial OfficerType/StatusCharge(s)

2005-CF-009525-A-O ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983
07/18/2005
Div 10
OKane, Julie H
Criminal Felony
Closed
CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER

2005-MM-010436-A-O ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983
07/18/2005
Orlando
Miller, W Michael
Misdemeanor
Closed
CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE

2006-TR-219362-A-O 0244RCN
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
12/14/2006
Orlando
Officer, 98 Hearing
Civil Traffic Infraction
Closed
TR- UNLAWFUL SPEED

2006-TR-219364-A-O 0245RCN
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
12/14/2006
Orlando
Officer, 98 Hearing
Civil Traffic Infraction
Closed
TR- CERT OF REGISTRATION POSSESS REQ


If you have recorded problems with authority, maybe someone should be taking that into consideration before they certify you to carry a weapon, just a thought.

[Jim Wahl]

Sorry. If in your brain you think I ASSOCIATED you with the Panthers, I did not. I added you to the list that included the Panthers, along with Jesse and Al. All of you are on the same list as thinking the same way. Just a fact. If you don't like being on that list, change your thinking. What is scarey is that you do associate Zimmerman to Calley! A guy who could be called a mass murderer? Really? That's really a reach even for you. It's also scarey that you would convict a man for second degree murder for defending himself from a want-a-be thug who attacks and is bent on killing him.

How do you know Zimmerman was put in the back of a Crown Vic? Most Police departments around here have been using Impalas or lately the Chargers. Maybe he turned himself in. Once AGAIN you ASSUME you know everything about everything. You are nothing but a retired military man with a superiority complex injecting your military mind into everything and everybody. Never once have you ever said " this is my opinion". You make statements not based on fact or rational and expect everyone to take them as fact. You might have been able to BS your military buddies but not people who are allowed to think for themselves. Say hi to Jesse and Al for me, I know you talk to them, you sound just like them. Jim

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[Jim Wahl]

Once again because you just don't seen to comprehend Eddie, "you don't need to do that" is not a lawful order, not even close. The person who said that to him was not law enforcement. Also you seem to keep leaving out the part where he answers the dispatcher with "OK" and then breaks off and starts to return to his vehicle. Forget that part or isn't it convenient for you? Can you PROVE it didn't happen that way? No? Didn't think so. You just keep beating that dead horse though sunshine, I know that's all you have. Jim

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[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Sorry. If in your brain you think I ASSOCIATED you with the Panthers, I did not. I added you to the list that included the Panthers, along with Jesse and Al. All of you are on the same list as thinking the same way. Just a fact. If you don't like being on that list, change your thinking. What is scarey is that you do associate Zimmerman to Calley! A guy who could be called a mass murderer? Really? That's really a reach even for you. It's also scarey that you would convict a man for second degree murder for defending himself from a want-a-be thug who attacks and is bent on killing him.

How do you know Zimmerman was put in the back of a Crown Vic? Most Police departments around here have been using Impalas or lately the Chargers. Maybe he turned himself in. Once AGAIN you ASSUME you know everything about everything. You are nothing but a retired military man with a superiority complex injecting your military mind into everything and everybody. Never once have you ever said " this is my opinion". You make statements not based on fact or rational and expect everyone to take them as fact. You might have been able to BS your military buddies but not people who are allowed to think for themselves. Say hi to Jesse and Al for me, I know you talk to them, you sound just like them. Jim

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And it really chaps your a**.........mission accomplished.

[SStockDart]

The alleged directive given is not the law in Florida, for which Zimmerman is being tried. The law states, something to the effect: If you fear for you life, you can use up to and including deadly force. Zimmerman is not being charged for some Neighborhood directive, he is being charged with murder. All evidence, including the polygraph, would indicate Zimmerman feared for his life. The end result, a dead teenager and a citizen and family that will continue to fear for their lives from the black community. So many things could have been different and had different results. Zimmerman could have ran away or Travon could not have confronted Zimmerman. But that is not the case. It is what it is and again, the evidence I have seen indicates that Zimmerman did not violate the in Florida law. Too Bad for everyone. But, tell me why this "white on black" crime is front page and the more frequent "black on white" crime is second page?

[Mark Yacavone]

What struck me about the video is (bear in mind, this was the day after the incident and Zimmerman wasn't under arrest) .... when he said the dispatcher told him "you don't need to do that" , he said fine and began walking back to his car. When he mentioned that, it was with no emotion , nor did he even try to stress this point .
The fact he was told not to pursue, is the one big thing that Gary Hampton and other race baiters on this forum are hanging their hats on...when actually it was never a big deal and shouldn't be , under the REAL circumstances.

G Hansen, I'm sure you DO know why race was made an issue here LOL
... and get ready for a lot more of race card playing , from now until Nov 6th.
Can't say any more along those lines....