Stocker Cylinder Heads....

[Bobby Zlatkin]

I heard something over the weekend that really got my attention as I never really thought of it that way.

"You don't read the rulebook to see what you can't do. You read it to see what you can do."

[Greg Hill]

We need consistency from one division to another. What we don't need is one tech person's " I don't like the way this looks".

[John Duzac]

What is Wade talking about? Did something happen resently with his heads? Tech should be uniform from one division to another. If I run in division 4 and check out legal, and show up at division 3 with the same engine, it should check out legal as well. Provided the heads cc correctly, etc.

[Wade_Owens]

The way the rules stand today, you may or may not be legal depending on who worked your heads and what division your torn down in. I currently want to purchase a new set of heads. I have talked to tech over the last 10 months about these cylinder head rumors and what will pass and what wont. If I'm going to spend $1700-$5200 dollars, I ask for 2 things, a lower et and to pass tech.

Its no secret that the top head guys are grinding, porting and covering up the work with acid, media or spray welding. It was done back in the day and still happens. If some are going to be told its ok, isnt that where I need to spend my money? You know their stuff should be faster.

All I want to know is 1) what are the current rules, 2) will tech be consistent, 3)is the person or people telling everyone its ok to grind and cover up going to stand by what he/they have told the engine builders, or flip back and use the written word as a scape goat.

Everyone one of you guys who know me know I'm not a **** stirrer and dont want to be considered one. Just get everyone on the same page. If the rulebook is law, update it and stand by it. If modifications are going to be ok, dont quote the rulebook to us. That judgement call BS has got to go.

There is no pride in running an illegal car for me. If I'm fortunate enough to stand there and hold a class win Wally, it will be because my car is LEGAL. I just need a little clarification on what that is.............

[SS/GSI]

There is no pride in running an illegal car for me. If I'm fortunate enough to stand there and hold a class win Wally, it will be because my car is LEGAL. I just need a little clarification on what that is.............


X2, btw Wade love the car all Black(no decals), good luck with your concerns.

[dwydendorf]

There was a story years ago about 2 chevelle wagons that had the Quarter panels spread apart for wider tires. It was illegal to spread the quarter panels apart for wider tires. One of the chevelles was obvious where they had used a hydralic jack to spread the quarters and not done any body work to finish it. The other chevelle had the quarters finished very nicely and you could not hardly tell anything had been done. Well at the U.S.Nationals the one that was obvious got bounced and the other one was allowed to run and the tech guys knew it had been done to both cars.. When you enter the grey area of the rules, you enter at your own risk. Good luck trying to get NHRA tech to tell you what they buy and what they won't. I am not trying to be a smart *** ,just repeating what a tech man once told me.

[Marine One]

To provide the level of clarification desired on every subject in every class, would require a 10,000 page rule book that would be more confusing than the US tax code.

[novassdude]

Originally Posted by Wade_Owens

The way the rules stand today, you may or may not be legal depending on who worked your heads and what division your torn down in. I currently want to purchase a new set of heads. I have talked to tech over the last 10 months about these cylinder head rumors and what will pass and what wont. If I'm going to spend $1700-$5200 dollars, I ask for 2 things, a lower et and to pass tech.

Its no secret that the top head guys are grinding, porting and covering up the work with acid, media or spray welding. It was done back in the day and still happens. If some are going to be told its ok, isnt that where I need to spend my money? You know their stuff should be faster.

All I want to know is 1) what are the current rules, 2) will tech be consistent, 3)is the person or people telling everyone its ok to grind and cover up going to stand by what he/they have told the engine builders, or flip back and use the written word as a scape goat.

Everyone one of you guys who know me know I'm not a **** stirrer and dont want to be considered one. Just get everyone on the same page. If the rulebook is law, update it and stand by it. If modifications are going to be ok, dont quote the rulebook to us. That judgement call BS has got to go.

There is no pride in running an illegal car for me. If I'm fortunate enough to stand there and hold a class win Wally, it will be because my car is LEGAL. I just need a little clarification on what that is.............

NHRA Technical Bulletins or NHRA accepted. Porting,
polishing, welding, epoxying and acid-porting prohibited.
Combustion-chamber modifications prohibited.

The rule is simple you can not do any of that legally. So If you want to be legal as you say you can not get heads that have any of those things done.

In My opionion (that is worth pretty much nothing) The problem is they don't let the tech people do their job. And the cheaters need to accept the fact that they got got cheating and not run and get their lawyer. Face it any one that pays $5000 for smallblock Chevy stocker heads knows dam well that the heads are not legal acording to the rule book.
Nobody cares what is actually legal all they care is will the lack of proper tech let them run them anyway.

[ss wannabee]

Originally Posted by novassdude

NHRA Technical Bulletins or NHRA accepted. Porting,
polishing, welding, epoxying and acid-porting prohibited.
Combustion-chamber modifications prohibited.

The rule is simple you can not do any of that legally. So If you want to be legal as you say you can not get heads that have any of those things done.

In My opionion (that is worth pretty much nothing) The problem is they don't let the tech people do their job. And the cheaters need to accept the fact that they got got cheating and not run and get their lawyer. Face it any one that pays $5000 for smallblock Chevy stocker heads knows dam well that the heads are not legal acording to the rule book.
Nobody cares what is actually legal all they care is will the lack of proper tech let them run them anyway.

All this "mularky"...(hope I spelled that right)...for a supposed entry-level Class that emphasized
"fine-tuning", with a minimum amount of mods permitted. And lawyers too...

Think the "newbies" coming into the sport want to jump into this?

[Tony Janes]

There is no entry level class. Open the check book and come and play. It is real expensive.