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Old 03-23-2012, 04:53 PM   #1
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Default Re: Diaper required at Division 1 Tracks?

If I'm a track owner and am liable for what happens at my facility, I'll require whatever safety equipment I want - or I won't open the gates.
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Old 03-23-2012, 05:22 PM   #2
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A diaper could well have saved the driver on the 10 second bracket car.

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Old 03-23-2012, 09:29 PM   #3
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Default Re: Diaper required at Division 1 Tracks?

This is a very 'gray" area when it comes to what safety rules class cars have to use. We have dealt with this a few times with the ASRA races. Usually the car has to fit the rules for the class it's built to race in, not the type of race that it is racing in.

Bottom line is it's up to the track. They may let you test, or run specialty races, like Stk/SS combo's, but if your going to run every week for points you'll need all the safety equiptment required for the bracket your running.

Remember, it's your ***** in the seat, as racers we try to ignor the thoughts about the consequenses of our sport. Things break, accidents happen, it's up to YOU to make sure your car is as safe as possible, and sometimes it's still not enough!

Larry, in no way is this last paragraph directed at you, I understand the situation that many stock and SS races are facing with the diaper rule. Good rule, but can be very difficult and expensive to fit a diaper correctly on most class cars.

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Old 03-23-2012, 10:32 PM   #4
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I have first hand experience with racing accidents and I can tell you that anything that we can do to possibly prevent them is a good thing. As most of you know, we own a speed shop and everytime that someone comes in to buy there "NEW" seat belts, I hear the same old line "There is nothing wrong with my belts, NHRA is probably getting a kick back." As they complain while they spend their $70 for seat belts they normally follow that telling me about the thousands of dollars that they spent on their car so that they can pick up a tenth of a second. Something else that we all need to understand, something like the diaper rule, effects more than yourself. If you want to run old belts or no belts, if you hate yourself that much than so be it, but running a diaper prevents you from running in front of the person in the other lane and affecting their life. I have learned something over the last 10 years of my life. I love racing, I love it so much that even after the thousands of runs that I have made I still shake after a round of eliminations, but I love my life more. I love my wife, my son, my family, and my friends a whole lot more. We spend a lot of money racing and to be honest the safety aspect is probably one of the cheapest things that we spend money on. So we spend $70 every 2 years for belts. Maybe $500 for a diaper if you need a custom diaper. Pants, jackets, gloves, neck collar. That is it. So lets estimate on the high side you spend $1000 for safety equipment. I would have to think that most people would probably say that to go to a points race or national event for the weekend would probably cost them the same. So tell me is your life worth that weekend? It isn't for me.
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Old 03-23-2012, 11:50 PM   #5
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Tell me more about these diapers. Sometimes cars unload or break while in the air and come down hard, sometimes touching the pan. If the diaper is torn is it required to be replaced in order to be acceptable? I would think that it would be.
What happens when an engine lets go and starts a fire? Does the diaper put out the 4-5 qts. of oil that it retains?
Will the diaper stop all parts from exiting the diaper? What I mean is it bullet proof?
Will the extra time spent changing the oil and looking for leaks cause more problems than it solves? Some aren't much on doing regular maintenence is what I'm refering to. An oil soaked diaper might be flamable?
What about the rear area of the block? I've seen cranks let go and take the flywheel and part of the converter with them.

I agree with some that have said. I am more worried about the car in the other lane than I am my car. Just look at some of the wheel alignment junk from pictures of cars in the air.
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Old 03-25-2012, 05:38 PM   #6
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First, let me say I am not one to oppose safety, but if safety is the issue, then why is it not a mandatory rule for all NHRA, IHRA, etc. and why only 9.90 and quicker.

My understanding is that the diaper does not have to be SFI approved, can be homemade, just so you have somthing to catch the oil and does not have to be fire proof. What if I have a small leak (that I am not aware of), have a diaper on and since the diapers are not fireproof, the leak could soak the diaper and cause a fire due to hot headers, etc.

Having a full bodied SS car makes it even more difficult to put on a diaper than say with a dragster due to header placement, tie rod running thru the oil pan among other things.

Not being required to have a diaper to race SS but being told I cannot test at my local track because I do not have one does not sit well with me.

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Old 03-25-2012, 07:33 PM   #7
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In comp we have a choice between a diaper and a belly pan-we use belly pans on our cars since they are so much easier-I don't know if you could build a belly pan to fit the frames of a stocker or super stocker, but if you could, see if the track would accept them as an alternative to a diaper.
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:46 PM   #8
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My understanding is that the diaper does not have to be SFI approved, can be homemade, just so you have somthing to catch the oil and does not have to be fire proof. What if I have a small leak (that I am not aware of), have a diaper on and since the diapers are not fireproof, the leak could soak the diaper and cause a fire due to hot headers, etc.

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You are right about it not having to be SFI approved for most classes (classes requiring SFI diapers are spelled out in the rule book under class requirements) but it does have to be NHRA approved, (list can be found on nhraracer.com )So your homemade diaper idea will not fly.
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Old 03-27-2012, 11:01 PM   #9
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First, let me say I am not one to oppose safety, but if safety is the issue, then why is it not a mandatory rule for all NHRA, IHRA, etc. and why only 9.90 and quicker.

My understanding is that the diaper does not have to be SFI approved, can be homemade, just so you have somthing to catch the oil and does not have to be fire proof. What if I have a small leak (that I am not aware of), have a diaper on and since the diapers are not fireproof, the leak could soak the diaper and cause a fire due to hot headers, etc.

Having a full bodied SS car makes it even more difficult to put on a diaper than say with a dragster due to header placement, tie rod running thru the oil pan among other things.

Not being required to have a diaper to race SS but being told I cannot test at my local track because I do not have one does not sit well with me.

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unfortunately i am an old guy, so i remember in 1966 my dad driving at 80 mph on rte 95 in a 4 door chevy with 2 kids and no seat belts. Today I do not even pull my car out of the drive without putting on a seat belt after being run into 3 times by idiots. Think about it

i think DRE that advertises on this site sells diapers for 169.00, sounds like a good investment to me.
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