Competetive 4-cylinders in Comp?

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

The engine can't be moved more than 10% of the wheelbase from stock. Also, SS/EX was introduced for All Motor Import cars. I'm sure Art could tell you about how much you have to do to the front fenders that would make it not resemble stock. SS/EX would be a lot more freindly in that area as well as the wt break is .5 lighter. Thats 60 lbs in your car, only .30 index diff.

The big difference in the EX class is it has to remain FWD.
I had a problem with NHRA a couple of years ago. I had aftermarket fiberglass fenders (which are allowed in my class). Nobodys makes a racing (lightweight) fender for a neon, so I bought a set of street fenders. They had loovers in them (like the Z cars).
I run all the inners fenders, so there was absolutly no air stream advantage. I ran them for 2 years without any problems. But when I ran at the E'town national race. I was told they were not legal. That I had to replace them before I could race again, letters stating that were sent to all division directors, and myself.
I could have just bondo'd the holes up and stuck a decal over them. But I went to my trusty computer, went on ebay and bought a pair of steel replacement fenders. I also bought a different fiberglass hood (my old one with the Hemi scoop cost me 1 to 2 mph)
I bought a LPHV spray gun at Harbor Freight. And some paint at Pep Boys. And learned how to paint a little.
The replacement fenders were each 6 pounds lighter than the fiberglass ones were. So I had to get a bigger battery to make up the difference.

[Axis Racing]

The NHRA SS/CX rules closely mirror the Street All Motor rules used by the FWD crowd. Right now there are a few Honda's running 10.0-10.19's @ 2150lbs. with 164" engines, on gas. The "Pro" All-motor FWD cars are in the 9.0's-9.20's @ 1700lbs. with 164" engines. NHRA's rules for the SS/CX class are a bit more open than the Street All Motor rules, as well as coming in about 100lbs. lighter in weight. I am fairly confident that I can get in the 10.0-10.10's range in SS/CX trim @ 2050lbs. with a 164" engine.

Who's capable of running more than .700 under in SS/CX? Does than matter anywhere but at Indy? <---- Sorry, I'm a noob here!

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Axis Racing

The NHRA SS/CX rules closely mirror the Street All Motor rules used by the FWD crowd. Right now there are a few Honda's running 10.0-10.19's @ 2150lbs. with 164" engines, on gas. The "Pro" All-motor FWD cars are in the 9.0's-9.20's @ 1700lbs. with 164" engines. NHRA's rules for the SS/CX class are a bit more open than the Street All Motor rules, as well as coming in about 100lbs. lighter in weight. I am fairly confident that I can get in the 10.0-10.10's range in SS/CX trim @ 2050lbs. with a 164" engine.

Who's capable of running more than .700 under in SS/CX? Does than matter anywhere but at Indy? <---- Sorry, I'm a noob here!

I was talking about SS/EX I'm pretty sure Scott Kelly has run .7 or so under with his Scion.
SS/CX is a RWD class. FWD conversion means you change a FWD car to a RWD car. That makes a world of difference.

[Axis Racing]

Yes RWD conversions are ALLOWED in SS/CX, but are not mandatory per NHRA tech...

[Hagen Gary]

I'm sure you "could" run it in SS/CX and run the index, but why? SS/EX is only .30 difference. From what you say, you could run under that index easy anyway without all the added benifits SS/EX offers.
Just about every SS/CX car can run a second under, not that it matters because there are so few, but its just not fair RWD vs FWD

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

I'm sure you "could" run it in SS/CX and run the index, but why? SS/EX is only .30 difference. From what you say, you could run under that index easy anyway without all the added benifits SS/EX offers.
Just about every SS/CX car can run a second under, not that it matters because there are so few, but its just not fair RWD vs FWD

There are just many drawbacks with a FWD to be able to run headsup with an equal RWD car. It won't even be close.

[Axis Racing]

Let's not argue the virtues of RWD or FWD since it's a moot point if you can't get a car down to minimum weight for the engine size if it's a RWD conversion @ 164"...