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Old 12-09-2011, 09:11 AM   #1
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Default Re: Time to Revisit the Super Times?

Flame suit on.

It's time to phase out the throttle stops - besides there are better ways to do it now that don't sacrifice as much accuracy and don't have the "spectator problem" of "broken" cars.

Here's my new slate. Tell them it's coming 1/1/2013.

Outlaw Super Comp - 7.60 index, dragsters OK, nitrous OK, delay OK, no SLE or stops, .4 pro tree (not .370). Older slower cars can step up with an add-on nitrous system, fast current cars can make the break or slow it down a bit, safety rules don't require the Advanced ET stuff.

Outlaw Super Gas - 8.60 index, left steer, nitrous OK, delay OK, no SLE/stops, .4 pro tree. Same deal for the current crop from fast S/G cars to low 9-second bracket cars wanting to give it a try.

Outlaw Super Street - 10.00 index, doors and a roof, nitrous OK, no delay, no stops, .4 pro tree. Same rules as Unleashed and Div. 2 10.00 index.

11.00 and 12.00 index just like Unleashed/Div. 2, just as they are now, entry-level classes for no-box no-stop racers on a .5 pro tree.
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Old 12-09-2011, 09:17 AM   #2
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"Plenty of guys in the .90 classes show up at each Div race"

Not true anymore. Div. 2 had 90-100 cars in S/C four years ago, now they are lucky to get 60. S/G had 70-80, now around 50. S/ST had 60-70, now around 35-45. And they rarely fill quota at most Nationals - Pomona, Gainesville, Norwalk, and Englishtown the exceptions.

Plus, at bottom the money lubricating drag racing, like every other sport, comes from TV. That's what sponsors sign up for, and it trickles down the line to racers running a sticker and getting a higher purse or contingency. Super class racing looks retarded on TV, even though the trap speeds are high. Two 12.0 cars side by side "look fast" on TV - watch the Unleashed footage, then watch the Super class finals from a Lucas Oil show, and see what I mean.
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Old 12-09-2011, 01:18 PM   #3
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The money lubricating drag racing, like every other sport, comes from TV.
If that's the case, the sport would've died a generation ago. The TV ratings for drag racing have never approached those of even an unranked pairing in NCAA football. That's why NHRA has to pay to produce and broadcast it...

The gate (front and back door) and concessions dollars have always been the money in drag racing. That, and the spend of the participants, on parts and consumables.
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Old 12-09-2011, 02:09 PM   #4
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I always liked the 1/4 mile length for racing. But some of the pros are only going 1000 feet for the race. If you want to change the Index from 9.90 to 9.0, then you might want to consider racing the Super classes to 1000 feet and then change the index to a even number. I think it would definitely make people be on the throttle control for less time. It would lower the top speed, and might make more sense. And the track prep would be the same for the fast pros, as well as for the sportsman. I like racing the 1/4 mile. But I expected when some of the pros went to 1000 feet, that the super classes would follow suit after a little time. Super gas might be 8.0 and super comp 7.0. Just an idea.
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Old 12-09-2011, 03:38 PM   #5
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Since I've run one since 2005, I don't think "passionate hatred" applies. It's just a fact that they are an obstacle to spectators, especially on TV, and therefore the "story" that attracts investor and sponsor dollars.

The better ways to hit an index include programmable digital ignitions, nitrous controllers, and similar devices. They provide the same tunability without the funny looking picture.

As long as the front and back gate is the zero-sum game in the economics of drag racing, it will be stagnant. Every major advancement in the economics has come through broader marketing, usually dependent on sponsor dollars, which are in turn directly dependent on exposure, which brings us to TV.
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Old 12-09-2011, 04:22 PM   #6
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Michael....when you pull out from under the tower in the late rounds in the super classes....the fans are there for the fuel cars.....because they are right behind you....I don't believe anything has changed....

and don't forget when you speed up the indexes...you put the hurt on the low buck guys....and you increase speeds to who knows what.....right now the speeds are self governing.....as its difficult to make a 190 mile an hour car good on the stop....

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It's time to phase out the throttle stops - besides there are better ways to do it now that don't sacrifice as much accuracy and don't have the "spectator problem" of "broken" cars.
Never understood the passionate hatred of throttle stops.

Maybe I'm stupid, but help me understand the "better ways to do it now"?
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