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Old 10-08-2011, 04:22 PM   #1
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At the Reading race, 13 of the 48 qualified cars are '67-'69 Camaros.

Seems to me, there must be some reason....

Is this good for the Eliminator?

Just askin'....
Good looking car with lots of available combos.
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Old 10-08-2011, 07:41 PM   #2
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Good looking car with lots of available combos.

Joe,
The great looking 1970-1 Challengers and 'Cudas are the most versatile Mopars ever with seven engine options.
It's a shame we don't see more of them, but of course it's because they are worth a lot more then most Camaros.
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Old 10-10-2011, 05:58 AM   #3
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Good looking car with lots of available combos.
Exactly


After all these years I still think a first generation Camaro is a great looking car and a '69 is the best of the group.

I was just watching a Mecham auction show over the weekend and saw a Yenko '69 Camaro on the stage....what a beauty.....

No later model Camaro ever matched the original for style and looks and engine options....and the '69 has the edge in every way.....
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Old 10-10-2011, 09:37 AM   #4
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But, Bill you don't race with us now. So don't worry about it.
I raced at Catlisle a lot, I don't remember you. Gordon Holloway teched me several times.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:50 AM   #5
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In part due to popularity, Chevy HP factors are competitive. Now, take the 400 Olds that Sam Murray held the D/S record with, back in 2006. He had to use all the tricks that others are now using to get competitive, and hasn't been since. . .his friend Jerry MacNeish holds it with a Z28 Camaro. After Sam, Curtis Coulter held D/S with his big and heavy 69 Mercury, closer in HP factor to being competitive today, but probably still not close enough. Moral of the story is that if you run an "oddball" or less popular combination, there won't be the data or the incentive for NHRA to help you out. The natural result is that "everyone" will run a "popular" combination so their investment will have a chance of paying off with wins.
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:42 AM   #6
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When I was in D/S running 10.50's and out running all the GM / Ford's that are popular in the class, it was a blast. I love being the underdog. But as I said, it sure takes a lot more patience and money to beat those "common" cars. I'm still putting as much pressure on the shop that has spider webs growing on my AMX to get it done. Jeff Colvert needs some competition!
My AMX is a SS/G-H-I combination.
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Old 10-10-2011, 12:45 PM   #7
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Alan,
You do not even have to scrounge for the front subframe. You can also buy a new one of those.

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Old 10-10-2011, 01:16 PM   #8
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You do not even have to scrounge for the front subframe. You can also buy a new one of those.

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Bill,
Thanks for catching that, I'm sure I spend too much time on the engine, transmission, and rear end. So I don't get to keep up with the rest. Hopefully I'll see you guys in Reynolds, not sure if I'll make it but Kevin will be there.
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Old 10-10-2011, 01:32 PM   #9
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In part due to popularity, Chevy HP factors are competitive. Now, take the 400 Olds that Sam Murray held the D/S record with, back in 2006. He had to use all the tricks that others are now using to get competitive, and hasn't been since. . .his friend Jerry MacNeish holds it with a Z28 Camaro. After Sam, Curtis Coulter held D/S with his big and heavy 69 Mercury, closer in HP factor to being competitive today, but probably still not close enough. Moral of the story is that if you run an "oddball" or less popular combination, there won't be the data or the incentive for NHRA to help you out. The natural result is that "everyone" will run a "popular" combination so their investment will have a chance of paying off with wins.

Actually, popularity does as much or more to hurt a combination. These cars, the first generation Camaros, can be a good example. Look at what "popularity" has done to the 396/375 combinations, most of them have been hit pretty hard. The 350/255 has been hit pretty hard as well. I'm not saying those combinations are ruined, I am saying there are other combinations that are in the same classes, that have lower numbers, that are stronger, but are less likely to get hit, because they are being protected more by having fewer people running them.

If you have a rare combination, at least you can exert some control over your "destiny". You don't have to worry about 40 other cars any number of which can go out and either get you instant HP, or get you an adjustment. If you have one of a kind, or one of a very few, there's a lot less chance of it getting bombed, and you can always keep providing data of your own and writing letters asking for a break.
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Old 10-10-2011, 04:11 PM   #10
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Guess the grass is always greener. Guys with other brands sem to think the GMs are softer because there are more fast ones. There are more GMs running, so the odds are much greater of more fast ones, and more winning. Like Alan said, the more guys running them the chances of getting your combo hit are much greater.
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