2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

IF the Cobra Jet 302 is underrated like you say then why didn't it outrun your boys underrated D/SA camaro in the Class final at Columbus last weekend? Could it be that your boys D/sa combination is in fact softer yet?

Probably because I was .08 faster in the first 60 feet, and also it has had virtually nothing done to the motor. Oh yeah, and he was going over 1.5 mph faster than me at the 1/8th even with very little work done to it. Go ahead and build a car like mine if you think it's so soft.

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

Probably because I was .08 faster in the first 60 feet, and also it has had virtually nothing done to the motor. Oh yeah, and he was going over 1.5 mph faster than me at the 1/8th even with very little work done to it. Go ahead and build a car like mine if you think it's so soft.

Don't want to get into any discussions of who works harder,because your cars obviously run very well,but I am just curious Greg and Andrew.....did I read the weight sticker right on Andrew's car?

It is rated from the factory at 360 and NHRA rates it at 325?

How did you get NHRA to take 35 horsepower off of the factory rating or was it always like that?

[Tony Janes]

It has been 325 for quite some time.

[Charley Downing]

Greg don’t talk if you don’t know what you are talking about.
How do you know what has been done to these new motors. If you and Andrew believe everything I say about these motors you are both fools.
Jimmy’s combo and mine have good race pistons and rings just like your combo. Good stocker cams from comp cams, countless hours on a dyno with The BEST tuner in the county, Good race springs, professional race prepped transmissions and some of the best race parts money can buy.
Where do you get you info that these motors have ZERO drag racing development done. Truth be told this combo has more race development in it then your car will ever have.

Andrew your combo is soft.

325hp vs 325hp
350ci vs 302ci
acid ported head vs NON cic ported heads
acid ported intake vs stock plastic intake

But so is the 302 CJ

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Greg don’t talk if you don’t know what you are talking about.
How do you know what has been done to these new motors. If you and Andrew believe everything I say about these motors you are both fools.
Jimmy’s combo and mine have good race pistons and rings just like your combo. Good stocker cams from comp cams, countless hours on a dyno with The BEST tuner in the county, Good race springs, professional race prepped transmissions and some of the best race parts money can buy.
Where do you get you info that these motors have ZERO drag racing development done. Truth be told this combo has more race development in it then your car will ever have.

Andrew your combo is soft.

325hp vs 325hp
350ci vs 302ci
acid ported head vs NON cic ported heads
acid ported intake vs stock plastic intake

But so is the 302 CJ

Charley we all know there is a ton left in the 302 combination and yours. Jimmy even said so in the staging lanes when we were getting ready to run. That being said it's not quite as bogus as the 352 which is not even based on a production motor. As far as Andrew's motor being soft I guess that's why there are so many of them out there. These cars need to be in there own classes. I like the new cars and i think you were very deserving of best appearing at Columbus, but there were no older cars in Columbus capable of going 1.31 under.

[RJ Sledge]

Not taking any side here, but a friend of mine has a 2011 Mustang 5.0 rated at the 412 hp figure from Ford and is not as good a combo as the NHRA factored 2012 325 hp 5.0. He has a set of D.O.T. drag radials on the car, 6 speed manual factory gears, leaves at idle and does not hammer the gears changes and runs 11.90's 12.00's all nite long and weighs 3670 across the scales. Now it doesn't take much of an imagination to see that the car could run some 10.50's with just a few add ons. I don't care what the Magazine tests showed, a 2012 325 hp rated 5.0 at 3220 lbs is a great combo, even without all the tweaks most Stock racers have done on their older combos.

Just my opinion .

RJ

[troublemaker427]

RJ, I don't have a dog in this fight but I find it hard to believe a '11 GT is going 11.90's by just adding drag radials and granny shifing it. I would bet it at least has a tune and a cold air intake. I'm not saying a GT won't do it but it takes a bit more than drag radials to get there.

I have one and have been around these cars a good bit lately. They make great power but 11.90s is a bit of a stretch stock...

I still like my FE too though.....

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Greg don’t talk if you don’t know what you are talking about.
How do you know what has been done to these new motors. If you and Andrew believe everything I say about these motors you are both fools.
Jimmy’s combo and mine have good race pistons and rings just like your combo. Good stocker cams from comp cams, countless hours on a dyno with The BEST tuner in the county, Good race springs, professional race prepped transmissions and some of the best race parts money can buy.
Where do you get you info that these motors have ZERO drag racing development done. Truth be told this combo has more race development in it then your car will ever have.

Andrew your combo is soft.

325hp vs 325hp
350ci vs 302ci
acid ported head vs NON cic ported heads
acid ported intake vs stock plastic intake

But so is the 302 CJ

You forgot
2 valves vs. 4 valves
heads from 1970 vs. new 2012 aluminum heads
11:1 compression vs. 12.5:1
pushrod motor vs. dual overhead cams
I guarantee that stock plastic intake and throttle body flows more air than my old Holly carburetor and 40 year old intake.

Also, how the hell do you know what's been done to my heads and intake?

You think that your motor or the 302 has had more done to it than mine? Go give one to Parsons and Myers and we will see how much horsepower it can make. I bet it's a hell of a lot more than it's making now.

With the rate Ronzello was gaining on my by the 1/8th, I figured it was probably going to go 127 mph or so. With a good converter alone (Jimmy said it needed one), I would have been toast.

Even if the motor in the 5.0 CJ is more similar to the GT than the Boss (plus 1.5 more points of compression of course), it's rated 87 hp less!

[Evan Smith]

Greg,

We all know they are underrated, so is a 350 at 325 hp. My point was to show that it is a shame that there are no regular production cars in the mix and this is totally due to the fact that new cars make far more power with smaller displacement. There are, and always will be underrated and overrated combos. I'm not saying it is right, but is the reality. Even without the CJ's and DP's how can you tell me NHRA can keep the playing field fair for the thousands of possible combinations? It is impossible. Someone will always be bitching and complaining that their combo is weak and another is soft.

You are also misinformed about the Boss. The Boss intake on the production car far exceeds the performance of the stock 5.0 GT intake (which is the one used on the 5.0 CJ) and there is no way on this Earth that a stock or mildly modified 2012 Boss 302 went 124 mph. You better watch that TV show again. During our magazine test we ran 12.07/114 in the heat of the summer with full-on powershifts and good tires. We all know what good air vs bad air is worth, so you can figure out what it may run in better conditions.

You can go to musclemustangfastfords.com and go to the video section and look for 2012 Boss 302 track test to watch for yourself.

Evan

[dwydendorf]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

Probably because I was .08 faster in the first 60 feet, and also it has had virtually nothing done to the motor. Oh yeah, and he was going over 1.5 mph faster than me at the 1/8th even with very little work done to it. Go ahead and build a car like mine if you think it's so soft.

Better yet if you think the Mustang is so soft why not build one of them? Did you know that most of the same people that put the D/SA mustang together also built Chartlie Downings #1 qualifer? If you really beleive nothing was done to the motor then build one and find out.