Track is making up rules

[Phillip marvetz]

Originally Posted by cicero819

Mr Marvetz, slow your car down to 12:15, Congrats. on beating Don Elgin, one of the greats of the sports, anytime you beat Don Elgin you've accomplished something. Claude

I didn't beat Don, He let me have it. Our win/lose ratio is in his favor by a long ways. I ran 12.01 flat out trying to catch him so it's not like I was holding a tenth all day. The car picked up a few hundredths after first round and I got lucky on 2 double breakout races. .008 in the 3rd round.
That's when this all started, The head of tech stopped the fellow from 3rd round and told him he should protest me. He refused to protest the race but did go ask the race director what the rule was, They both went thru rulebook and couldn't find anything. The race director came to me next and my response was that the tech was mistaken about the rule. He then went to the tech guy and they went to section 2 page 6 and decided they could use that rule. That rule is for .90 class cars at NHRA event's though, Not Summit E.T bracket cars. I pointed this out but the tech guy won't hear any of it from me. The race director was supposed to contact NHRA for more info and get back to me. A few day's later this new rule is posted on the website.
I can slow the car down and be safe but that really isn't the point. I just want them to do what's right, Not cram a made up rule down our throats. They could have called a meeting of the sportsman racers or consulted with the class reps for input.
The funny thing is last year was dominated by cars dialing the bottom of the index, not this year though. A lot of the slow cars have won, Jim Mantle even took me out the first weekend with his Pacer.
I know they can do whatever they want but this seems unnecessary and not very well thought out.

It is a club owned track but none of the members race in sportsman as far as I know so I don't think that is the reason, Unlike Bremerton

Dion, I've won 2 out of 7 completed races so far, There were 3 cancelled races also. Are you coming down for the National open?

[Toby Lang]

Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz

He then went to the tech guy and they went to section 2 page 6 and decided they could use that rule. That rule is for .90 class cars at NHRA event's though, Not Summit E.T bracket cars.

I don't see how this rule is similar to the rule for .90 cars. A .90 car can run .80s all day long and still win the race. Under the new Mission rule if two cars racing each other both have one warning and they both run under the class minimum, they both should be disqualified.

The new Mission rule is totally made up and has no basis in the NHRA rulebook.


-Toby

[Mark Yacavone]

Could someone please explain the reasoning or rationale behind a rule such as this?
That is, providing the car passes the safety and tech rules for the next higher class.

[larry dowty]

phillip just me but if you go faster then 12.00 you should be out, i see know reason to let you go 11.99 and win, if you both go 11.99 both are out.

[bad man]

Larry did not read my post and still doesnt understand bracket racing. 11.99 has nothing to do with dialing your car 12.00 it is just a brake out. its still the closet one to your legal dial in that counts. Last year we could only dial 12.80 in sportsman so are you saying if you run 12.79 your kicked out ? I broke out a lot of racers running in the 12.70 and if i was closer to my 12.80 dial i usually won the race on there brake out but no one was ever dq for brakeing out. DON THE WORM ELGIN

[Toby Lang]

Mark,

Sounds like a familiar story to me. A few people who are dialing 12.0s and running in the 11s occasionally are winning a few races, so they must have an unfair advantage.

Kind of like those people who used to knock the pre-stage lights out.


-Toby

[Hudlow66]

Same deal in Pro. Div.6 changed Pro bracket to 9.0 (for a min.) last year. I went to the bracket finals in Mission and ran many (many) 9.01-9.04 passes. I asked Adams what would happen if I happen to run a 8.99. Would I be tossed? He said no and not to worry about it. Just dial 9.00 and have at it. If it's a double breakout and I was closer to my dial, I'd still be in with no issues. 9.00 in Pro and 12.00 in Spt., is simpily the quickest one can dial, in said classes. No cause to DQ for running under.

[goinbroke2]

12:00 is the quickest you can DIAL, not the quickest you can RUN.

You dial 13:00 and run 12:50 and I dial 12:00 and run 11:51.

I win because;
(1) I dialed within the parameters of the class (12:00 minimum) and
(2) you broke out worse.

Unless it is stated in clear and concise wording that "you cannot run quicker than minimum dial" it is horsecrap.

On the other hand there is also the "it's my racetrack and I'll do what I like, you don't like it then leave" mentality which never helps.