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Old 07-10-2011, 10:44 PM   #1
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sorry phillip i didnt get what you were saying, if they go faster than 12.00 in sportsman they should loose period
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Old 07-11-2011, 03:16 AM   #2
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sorry phillip i didnt get what you were saying, if they go faster than 12.00 in sportsman they should loose period

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The winners of the E.T finals that go to Pomona for the world championship don't get Dq'd for breaking out, Why should I?
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Old 07-11-2011, 03:20 AM   #3
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For those who are confused, Phil is not talking about a dial-in or an index. He is discussing the "top and bottom" of the elapsed time "breaks" for a given eliminator.

As an example, many tracks offer Super Pro Eliminator "breaks" of 6.50 seconds to 11.99 seconds indicating the minimum and maximum permitted dial-ins. Phil is describing a Sportsman Eliminator "top break", (minimum dial-in), of 12.00 seconds. In this scenario, he was dialed "at the break" of 12.00 and won a double-breakout race, (or ran all-out on a single), with an 11.99 or quicker.

This has been the only real "rule" in bracket racing performance since the genre was created in the early 1960s. While the class "breaks" vary between tracks, the minimum dial-in has always been the only dividing line between eliminator categories. A handful of tracks do offer warnings but most simply disqualify the driver who "walks the tightrope" by dialing on the "break" and slipping. Ironically, I find this rule almost universally in place at non-sanctioned tracks.

The NHRA and IHRA have a "courtesy rule" in the Junior Dragster ranks in which the first violation is overlooked but, when racing "big cars", you take your chances. It's all part of the game.

Anybody who races at a track which allows two violations in one day is lucky. The fact you still get one free ride is extremely rare and, Phil, you should be grateful for it. Most folks would simply be shown the gate.
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Old 07-11-2011, 05:01 AM   #4
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It looks like most of you still dont understand what phil is talking about. In sportsman class you can not put a dial in on quicker than 12.00 that is the rule at all div 6 tracks.This is new for this year at the div 6 et finals. Last year it was 12.80 for all the tracks you could not dial quicker than 12.80.But if you turned 12.79 or quicker you were not dq it is just a brake out.closes to the dial wins just like it should be. Turning 11.99 on a 12.00 dial is no difference its just a brake out. Ive been racing in the bracket classes for 42 years and ive seen a lot of rule changes and to be dq for brakeing out on a legal dial in of any kind isnt one of them. The bottom line is you can not put a dial in on that is quicker than the class your running if you brake out its just that a brake out and may the best racer win. If you still dont under stand get a hold of the div 6 tech director and he will explain to you.DON THE WORM ELGIN
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Thanks for the post Don, I think this whole thing is your fault for letting me get past first round anyways, LOL. Thank's again buddy.
I have heard that the Div6 director has been put in the position to dq racers a few times now and has not. That makes it pretty clear that breaking out is not a rulebook violation.

Thanks for all your input guy's,

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Old 07-11-2011, 12:23 PM   #6
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Phillip, It was explained to me once that there is a line in the rule book that pretty much says that the track operator can pretty much do as he pleases with his track. That was also the day I left said track after not missing a race in 5 years (2 of those years I lived 306 miles from the track one way). He had decided that you can use a replacement car during eliminations if you broke. Of course you had to be one of his buddies to know about the rule.
Fact is on their bracket program they can do as they please no matter what the NHRA rule book says. You just have to decide if you want to play by their rules or not. If you do race there If you really don’t like the rule race some where else.
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