How does a 428W crate motor run regular SS?

[cutta]

Shouldn't the question be more about the underfactored part than anything? There aren't going to be many more high HP cars released from factory in a high rate of production so I think it would be senseless for us to argue that. With the gas consumption phenomena, its just not going to happen unless its a very low HP combo. Special order cars are probably the closest we will get to any of the muscle cars of yesteryear. I think the focus should remain with getting car factored more correctly.

On a side note, I see that none of the new ford guys wanted to show their full potential but it was obvious they knew how to use the brakes lol.



Oh yeah I've got a solution for fixing the fords and dodges. Somebody who passionately believes that the cars need be refactored should by a DP and a CJ. Tune them all the way up, go to a race and run them all the way out. After 3 or 4 events of that, things will be adjusted and you could sell the cars, problem solved lol! This way, you don't have to wait on NHRA to change it, you could just change it yourself lol! Now, you guys just need to pool the money and decide on a driver. Haha, this would make alot of people happy and alot of people mad but I would love to see it happen.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by cutta

Shouldn't the question be more about the underfactored part than anything? There aren't going to be many more high HP cars released from factory in a high rate of production so I think it would be senseless for us to argue that. With the gas consumption phenomena, its just not going to happen unless its a very low HP combo. Special order cars are probably the closest we will get to any of the muscle cars of yesteryear. I think the focus should remain with getting car factored more correctly.

On a side note, I see that none of the new ford guys wanted to show their full potential but it was obvious they knew how to use the brakes lol.



Oh yeah I've got a solution for fixing the fords and dodges. Somebody who passionately believes that the cars need be refactored should by a DP and a CJ. Tune them all the way up, go to a race and run them all the way out. After 3 or 4 events of that, things will be adjusted and you could sell the cars, problem solved lol! This way, you don't have to wait on NHRA to change it, you could just change it yourself lol! Now, you guys just need to pool the money and decide on a driver. Haha, this would make alot of people happy and alot of people mad but I would love to see it happen.

um there's a 556hp caddy, a 556hp camaro next year, a 660hp mustang, and a 638 hp vette ( plus a 505hp Z06). What the hell are you talking about?

[cutta]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

um there's a 556hp caddy, a 556hp camaro next year, a 660hp mustang, and a 638 hp vette ( plus a 505hp Z06). What the hell are you talking about?

Point taken but I guess I should have been more clear in my comment. I don't think racers should expect for race ready cars like the CJ's and DP's to be street available cars. The times we live in will not allow for cars such as the "Thunderbolt or Hemi Darts/Cudas" to be manufactured as street available cars or in high production numbers in my opinion. Thats why I think it is a mute point to argue these days. I think the focus should be on getting the factor correct. Sorry about that, I didn't think my thoughts out clearly enough.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by cutta

I don't think racers should expect for race ready cars like the CJ's and DP's to be street available cars. The times we live in will not allow for cars such as the "Thunderbolt or Hemi Darts/Cudas" to be manufactured as street available cars or in high production numbers in my opinion.

The cars you speak of were put in Super stock, not Stock Eliminator. You've illustrated perfectly the point I've been making for about 3 years now. Thanks. The basic premise of Stock Eliminator is, or actually, was, that the cars legal for the class were originally street legal production cars. That was the entire point of the class, NOT having one off trick purpose built race cars in the class. That's why they put those Hemi Darts and Cudas in Super Stock from day one, and why the rest of these factory race cars belong in Super Stock.

And in allowing those cars in Stock Eliminator, NHRA has completely changed the character and premise of the class, and effectively rendered everything else obsolete. Now they can and will allow any manufacturer that they want to add a new paper combination whenever they want. Because they do not have to produce the cars anymore, they just have to add paper to a catalog. They can create, on paper, a new combination any time they want. It's a completely unsustainable business model that is directly contrary to the best interests of the class.

[novassdude]

Exactly they are making some great cars. Just put them in the guide just like before and let people build them if they want. If they want to make light weight versions put them in Superstock just like was done before.

[cutta]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

The cars you speak of were put in Super stock, not Stock Eliminator. You've illustrated perfectly the point I've been making for about 3 years now. Thanks. The basic premise of Stock Eliminator is, or actually, was, that the cars legal for the class were originally street legal production cars. That was the entire point of the class, NOT having one off trick purpose built race cars in the class. That's why they put those Hemi Darts and Cudas in Super Stock from day one, and why the rest of these factory race cars belong in Super Stock.

And in allowing those cars in Stock Eliminator, NHRA has completely changed the character and premise of the class, and effectively rendered everything else obsolete. Now they can and will allow any manufacturer that they want to add a new paper combination whenever they want. Because they do not have to produce the cars anymore, they just have to add paper to a catalog. They can create, on paper, a new combination any time they want. It's a completely unsustainable business model that is directly contrary to the best interests of the class.

Point taken and understood. My understanding of the class was a little different.

[Phillip marvetz]

Let's not forget that if you walk into a dealership and buy and new street legal Mustang or Challenger you wont be able to race it in stock. CJ's and DP's only, How does this help the factory's sell more car's?....................


NHRA, Put the real car's in guides with real HP factors.

[goinbroke2]

Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz

Let's not forget that if you walk into a dealership and buy and new street legal Mustang or Challenger you wont be able to race it in stock. CJ's and DP's only, How does this help the factory's sell more car's?....................


NHRA, Put the real car's in guides with real HP factors.

EXACTLY!!
Why is NHRA allowing this??? MONEY!

Don't hate the playa, hate the game...or whatever that saying is. If GM shows up with a papercar, some would be happy and figure now their favourite can compete with "them".
The problem is, NONE should be allowed to do this. I certainly wouldn't condemn GM for doing it though, they are just getting the best ROI that THEY can like any other business.

[Marvin Robinson]

Originally Posted by alan roehrich

the cars you speak of were put in super stock, not stock eliminator. You've illustrated perfectly the point i've been making for about 3 years now. Thanks. The basic premise of stock eliminator is, or actually, was, that the cars legal for the class were originally street legal production cars. That was the entire point of the class, not having one off trick purpose built race cars in the class. That's why they put those hemi darts and cudas in super stock from day one, and why the rest of these factory race cars belong in super stock.

And in allowing those cars in stock eliminator, nhra has completely changed the character and premise of the class, and effectively rendered everything else obsolete. Now they can and will allow any manufacturer that they want to add a new paper combination whenever they want. Because they do not have to produce the cars anymore, they just have to add paper to a catalog. They can create, on paper, a new combination any time they want. It's a completely unsustainable business model that is directly contrary to the best interests of the class.

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