Red light survey

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

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"The class racers here are a bunch of self serving low life ba$tards.That's a good reason not to get involved in this conversation,because hey,it doesn't affect you anyway right?"

No, Ed, YOU said it. I said nothing of the kind.

Why didn't you answer my question about how Bracket racing starting line protocol differs from Class racing protcol??? I gave you 4 choices... the silence was (and, is) deafening.

I have asked you NUMEROUS TIMES, to tell me ONE legitimate reason why this lopsided rule should not be changed. Don't say its because this kangaroo-court "survey" of yours indicates a majority want it to stay the same; the "Poll" is not exacrtly a scientific sampling...

No, I want you to tell me, in YOUR OWN WORDS, what is fair or desirable about a rule that deprives the guy in the other lane from having to suffer the same red light jeopardy YOU did when you left first (if you red-lit, and everybody does at one time or another.)

It's a stupid way to run a race. And, yes, it's broke. Let's fix it. It victimizes every car from A/S on down, at one time or another... it's not at all just about "slow" cars.

[Ed Fernandez]

Bill you win by default.No matter what I say or do you will find a way to try and make your argument the right one.The only satisfaction I'll get is that the boobs in Glendora will do
nothing about changing it,right or wrong.You'll have to go to bed every night knowing that
poor little you,when you go out bracket racing again will be royally screwed by this travesty of justice perpetrated by a bunch of inept overpaid administrators.
Poetic justice will be you're going red by .001 and the other guy going .500 red.
Good bye and good night Bill.

[Ed Wright]

Some need to move to a communist country where everybody is provided the same thing. Where you don't have to work harder or longer to be more successful, nor get to vote on how you feel things should be. Life doesn't seem fair to many, but that's just life. I would like an 8 second hood scoop car too, but am too damn lazy to work hard enough to pay for one.

[bill dedman]

Ed said; "No matter what I say or do you will find a way to try and make your argument the right one.

That's easy, when you're right.
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Then, Ed said:
"The only satisfaction I'll get is that the boobs in Glendora will do
nothing about changing it,right or wrong."

Masochism: pleasure in being abused or dominated : a taste for suffering
"Do it to me one more time".... with no apology to the Captain and Tennille
Nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your face...

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Ed said; "No matter what I say or do you will find a way to try and make your argument the right one.

That's easy, when you're right.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
Then, Ed said:
"The only satisfaction I'll get is that the boobs in Glendora will do
nothing about changing it,right or wrong."

Masochism: pleasure in being abused or dominated : a taste for suffering
"Do it to me one more time".... with no apology to the Captain and Tennille
Nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your face...

Yeah Bill,quack,quack,quack,quack,quack.You win.You da man.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

No, it means that 60 percent of the voters on this board have no interest in making things as fair as possible. It's perfectly alright with them that half the cars racing are screwed by this anomaly.

If they changed it so the first car to break out was eliminated, would they think that was okay, too?

Same deal....

Used to be that way... but they fixed it. Now, let's fix this.

Tell me one good reason not to.

x2 Bill

[Ed Wright]

Gary, you may as well give it up. Just don't go red. Then when the faster car does you win.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Gary, you may as well give it up. Just don't go red. Then when the faster car does you win.

Ed,let him rant.He has a lot of pent up anger to release.If he didn't the top of his head might erupt like Mt. St Helen's.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

And the way so many of you slam NHRA and it's management (and don't be dumb enough to think nobody there reads this), who in their right mind would expect them to have the software modified to make you happy. Especialy since the majority wants it left alone. Somebody here lives in a fantasy world. It just won't happen. Get over it, build a faster car, go fishing, do something else.

I hope they do read this, because with all of the enhancements they've done (and they claim to care about us sportsman racers), I'll continue to do it because they've given me many reasons to do so over the years/decades:

1. Dropping Modified Eliminator and adding Super Comp/Super Gas, and Super Street...I liked those B/SM's & C/SM's.

2. Dropping many of the FWD classes and blending the FI cars into regular stock classes...I've read how many carb racers loved the arrival of the CJ's & the DP's!

3. Raising the entry fees for national events from $240 in '08 to $305 today...not all of us have the income to embrace such "enhanced" expenses.

4. Contingency postings continously dropping, but regulations (read tranny) contingencies increasing.

5. Making single class runners compete with each other in a no-breakout handicapped elimination format...(just like the last election, money will win most battles), and now only one person will get a wally & class contingency money.

6. Got to love there dropping our indexes .30sec.! How many more traditional class racers who once qualified .10-.30 under the old indexes are now non-competitive.

7. What happened to Inside Drag Racing (and there former coverage of sportsman drag racing)? They can't tell me that they don't offer input to ESPN with regards to what they show on tv, because I'm certain they have some influence...our tv coverage sucks compared to what it used to be like in the previous two decades....we pay the bills, we should get some better tv coverage too!!!

8. They were so happy to copy the NFL's mindset about a playoff system (with regards to the pro categories), why wouldn't they also copy the NFL and their restructuring of their divisional layout and/or create 1-2 new divisions (also like the NFL did). I'm sure the Atlanta Falcons are much happier to now have geographically friendly divisional opponents, than to have to travel from Georgia to California for divisional games when they would literally fly over Dallas (when they had to play the former L.A. Rams---now in St. Louis). Just taking a snap shot of the country and seeing how the divisional layout is would answer why a few divisions need to be shrunk, to be the equal of the other divisions where travel isn't so dramatic...and don't give me the horse ***** about moving to those divisions that have races closer to home, because that's not how the NFL handled that thought!

9. Now as if sportsman racers didn't have enough with the Super Class Racers (to deal with), we have to share pit space (at divisionals & a few national events) with Top Sportsman & Top Dragsters, plus Pro Mod's and Junior Dragsters...dare I ask what's next?

10. We pay most of the cost of racing in this sanctioning body, yet we get our races passed over at the request of the pros...what's wrong with that???

[Ed Wright]

Gary, I can't argue with anything you said. I still like drag racing better than anything else I have ever done. I'll keep it up as long as I can. But I don't expect them to change anything for me. If it gets to where I can't afford to, or any rule changes bother me enough (like diapers) I'll simply quit. I've not found anything else I enjoy as much.