Red light survey

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

I think the other guy should have to take responsibility for HIS mistakes, too..
as it stands, if you give him a free ride by red lighting first, he never has to take responsibility, like you did. What sense does tht make?

It's not "well enough" at all; it's screw job for the first car to leave.

And there's no justification for it.

And that "poll" is so one-sided, the way it's presented, as to render any results from it worthless.

Here we go again Bill.First off your car still has a BRACKET number on it.Second show me what's biased in the wording on the poll.
The poll is running at 72% for status quo and 28% for change.I guess when it isn't going your way it's one sided.

[Signman]

Ed, you make my day!

You want to fix the red light rule with a change in autostart. If you have made the phone calls and know it's possible then what's the problem?

Went through this with deep staging a few years ago. (note: I have never deep staged, ever) It ain't goin to happen this way. Get the track owners on board (they are Compulink customers) you might have a fighting chance. If you can get enough tracks "across the country" to adopt the idea then NHRA will have to consider it. You still may never see it at a national or divisional until it proven at the bracket racing level.
Ohh, by the way what happened to deep staging. You can but you're on you're own. No holding the tree any more.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Signman

Ed, you make my day!

You want to fix the red light rule with a change in autostart. If you have made the phone calls and know it's possible then what's the problem?

Went through this with deep staging a few years ago. (note: I have never deep staged, ever) It ain't goin to happen this way. Get the track owners on board (they are Compulink customers) you might have a fighting chance. If you can get enough tracks "across the country" to adopt the idea then NHRA will have to consider it. You still may never see it at a national or divisional until it proven at the bracket racing level.
Ohh, by the way what happened to deep staging. You can but you're on you're own. No holding the tree any more.

Not true in S/SS, Frank

Voted out by the majority with fast cars.

You know, we could probably use that approach to vote out the blown CJ's .Why not ? There's more of us than them.
Then , if Ed keeps causing trouble with his AMC, we'll vote him out too. LOL

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Signman

Ed, you make my day!

You want to fix the red light rule with a change in autostart. If you have made the phone calls and know it's possible then what's the problem?

Went through this with deep staging a few years ago. (note: I have never deep staged, ever) It ain't goin to happen this way. Get the track owners on board (they are Compulink customers) you might have a fighting chance. If you can get enough tracks "across the country" to adopt the idea then NHRA will have to consider it. You still may never see it at a national or divisional until it proven at the bracket racing level.
Ohh, by the way what happened to deep staging. You can but you're on you're own. No holding the tree any more.

Frank,which Ed are you referring to?

[Ed Wright]

You of course. Lol

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

You of course. Lol

If that's the case then where the hell am I looking to change the redlight foul deal???????
Frank,you hanging around in the garage with the door closed again?:>):>)

[Signman]

Ed F. Always like you posts! You fixing the red light rule was not meant for you, my bad.
I'm for leaving this alone! And yes I leave first most of the time.

This is pure BS, but fun recovering from the flu which kicked my *** for 24 hours!

Mark, the fast guys may have voted deep out, but if there were more of them who voted the democratic majority spoke.
Some may have had their own self interest in mind but others may have realized the unfair advantages being handed over and exploited. It's supposed to be fair and it was not as it brought the human element in that autostart was supposed to get rid of. That holding the tree for deep was BS!!

This red light thing is just an issue of the driver training his or her mind to see their spot on the tree. If you see it and the race car setup is right you will not red light. It's not easy and as we get older more difficult. The young guys don't have a lot of money so they train their minds to take advantage of what tools they have. The older guys may not have the commitment or talent or youth but they have the buck$ to go fast.

Some things in life just are not fair!!!

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Signman

Ed F. Always like you posts! You fixing the red light rule was not meant for you, my bad.
I'm for leaving this alone! And yes I leave first most of the time.

This is pure BS, but fun recovering from the flu which kicked my *** for 24 hours!

Mark, the fast guys may have voted deep out, but if there were more of them who voted the democratic majority spoke.
Some may have had their own self interest in mind but others may have realized the unfair advantages being handed over and exploited. It's supposed to be fair and it was not as it brought the human element in that autostart was supposed to get rid of. That holding the tree for deep was BS!!

This red light thing is just an issue of the driver training his or her mind to see their spot on the tree. If you see it and the race car setup is right you will not red light. It's not easy and as we get older more difficult. The young guys don't have a lot of money so they train their minds to take advantage of what tools they have. The older guys may not have the commitment or talent or youth but they have the buck$ to go fast.

Some things in life just are not fair!!!

Frank, The autostart was put in place for one reason at first . That being to speed up the national events. The same goes for the 3 amber tree, as opposed to the five. All that stuff trickles down from the Nat'l event track; not the other way around
Someone mentioned the worst red light rule should start at the grass roots level. That's not the way all this stuff works.
I suspect the No Deep ruling was put in for the same reason.
No one said the tree should be held for anyone, but using the pre-stage light to disqualify anyone is pure BS. That was put there as a warning light. Nothing more.
Where were all the traditionalists when THIS came up ??

Now the "unbiased poll/ majority rule thing.
That would be like going into NYC or downtown San Francisco and asking :
Which party most represents the little guy and the labor unions?

__ Republicans

__ Democrats


I showed you guys the number of 10 sec. cars at Pomona. What would you expect to happen with a poll here?

Good luck this year , from a signman

[Casey Miles]

Originally Posted by Signman

Ed, you make my day!

You want to fix the red light rule with a change in autostart. If you have made the phone calls and know it's possible then what's the problem?

Went through this with deep staging a few years ago. (note: I have never deep staged, ever) It ain't goin to happen this way. Get the track owners on board (they are Compulink customers) you might have a fighting chance. If you can get enough tracks "across the country" to adopt the idea then NHRA will have to consider it. You still may never see it at a national or divisional until it proven at the bracket racing level.
Ohh, by the way what happened to deep staging. You can but you're on you're own. No holding the tree any more.

I deep stage all the time with my bracket car because it will not leave like a race car, I drive it to and from the track and it gets 25 mpg. (01 Corvette) The only thing about deep staging is that the car is positioned differently on the starting line. What would happen if they took the prestage light away, most people would never find the starting line. "Pre"stage means before you are staged, and that is it. The problem with the people thinking that deep staging is not right is because that is what they were taught. You don't have to wait for me or any of my friends to deep stage, we are usually in before you have even done your burnout.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

[Toby Lang]

Originally Posted by Casey Miles

You don't have to wait for me or any of my friends to deep stage, we are usually in before you have even done your burnout.

This is true, unless you are racing against someone whose sole purpose in life is to try and screw with deep stagers. Even if they had to totally change their routine to do it. They know who they are. After they got rid of deep staging I'm surprised they still raced. What's left in life if you can't F with deep stagers?


-Toby