New AHFS 2011

[Bernie Cunningham]

So, what if ?????

On one given weekend, at two different race tracks anywhere in the country, the same combo car (i.e. DP with same motor), which is two different cars with different drivers, go faster than 1.20 under to trigger an auto HP hit, does it get hit TWICE ??????

[countrypuppy4865]

Bernie,
Good Point if this would have been in effect DP 5.7 would have been rated at about 390 by the time it left Indy!

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Bernie Cunningham

So, what if ?????

On one given weekend, at two different race tracks anywhere in the country, the same combo car (i.e. DP with same motor), which is two different cars with different drivers, go faster than 1.20 under to trigger an auto HP hit, does it get hit TWICE ??????

Bernie, I believe the answer is "no". Last year, I believe Roy Johnson and someone in Division 4 (maybe Dempsey Pendarvis) both ran fast enough for automatic HP. I asked, and was told no, it only gets hit once. I would guess now, with the tiered HP hits, the fastest of the two runs would be used to hit the combination (i.e., if one car is -1.20 and another -1.40, the -1.40 penalty would be applied). I could be wrong.

[Bernie Cunningham]

Mike, that's my exact problem with the current 'setup'. I know it happened last year and I have a hard time believing that it doesn't affect the AHFS twice !!!

[Mike Carr]

True. I don't what, if any, amendments will be made for 2011.

Using my scenario of -1.20 and -1.40, last year, it would have received one hit, the standard 3.25% hit for ANY run, regardless of how quick. This year, -1.40 will receive a 7.25% hit. So in that sense, it would be better this year. IF they use a 'quickest run/most severe penalty' rule. Time will tell, I guess.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Bernie Cunningham

Mike, that's my exact problem with the current 'setup'. I know it happened last year and I have a hard time believing that it doesn't affect the AHFS twice !!!

Bernie, are you saying you think a combination should be hit twice if two different cars go 1.25 under on the same weekend?

[RJ Sledge]

If he's not, won't, I will. Hell yes, if two like combinations run far enough under at the same race/weekend that ENGINE combo should be hit twice.

RJ

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by R J Sledge

If he's not, won't, I will. Hell yes, if two like combinations run far enough under at the same race/weekend that ENGINE combo should be hit twice.

RJ

The problem with that is both cars are running "unadjusted" by the AHFS for that weekend. It's not like one car earns the AFHS adjustment, they get adjusted, then the second car goes out and earns another adjustment.

As much as some combinations need to be reigned in pretty quickly, two hits in one weekend is pretty unfair.

Example: Car 3xxx goes to Bowling Green and runs 1.25 under, while car 2xxx, the exact same combination, goes to Atlanta and goes 1.27 under. Either run would earn 4.25% under the new AHFS system. It certainly wouldn't be fair for them to hit that combination for 8.5%, because both cars were running in the "pre 4.25% AHFS adjustment" condition. It's not like one earned them 4.25% on Friday, they had to add the weight Saturday morning, and the second car went out and earned another 4.25% after adding the weight, or having to move up a class.

No, hitting the same combination twice in one weekend is too heavy handed, regardless of the combination. Yeah, most of the new cars need a lot of HP added to them, but it needs to be done fairly.

[RJ Sledge]

Alan you use the word "Fairly".......you kidding of course? What is fair about these combos that are "Fairly"?, rated at least 150hp under what they should be rated? Whats fair about that? If the AHFS is the answer (sic), why not let it work both ways? If a combo gets too much hp placed on it, then according to the AHFS, they could get hp taken off by not running so fast. It is suppose to work both ways, whats good for the goose.......now I think thats "Fair". You can't make a good agruement out of being "Fair" to the new cars, since this problem would not of come up without the total loss of what ever integrity the decision makers had. As Bernie said "just follow the money"

Fairly......yeah I got your Fairly!!

Later RJ