A/FX or what for 2011?

[danny waters sr]

IHRA already has aa/fi and bb/fi and are thinking about adding a cc/fi and a dd/fi. That should take care of the new car so called domination due to hp ratings. Then they can have at it amongst themselves.THIS WOULD BE FUN TO WATCH ALSO.

[Bobby Lundholm]

Why not have a class just for those cars? Make it like the Darts and Barracuda's in Super Stock. Have a shootout during Indy to put these cars on display, and have the manufacturers post money to make this possible. Wouldn't this solve the problem for everyone?

[boostedf22c]

Originally Posted by Bobby Lundholm

Why not have a class just for those cars? Make it like the Darts and Barracuda's in Super Stock. Have a shootout during Indy to put these cars on display, and have the manufacturers post money to make this possible. Wouldn't this solve the problem for everyone?

That'd be cool. A Drag Pak shootout race at Indy.

[NewHemi]

How many guys are actually affected by the new cars?

Truth is, not all that many.

But there is an overwhelming send of fairness expressed here, in spite of the fact that it actually only affects a few, but emotionally expressed by those, who are all for fairness, unless of course, it is they who hold the competitive edge.

And if they all quit, isn't it really because the new cars have taken away a lot of their personal playgrounds when they, some of the guys complaining here about the new cars, who themselves have been beating up on the all the carbureted cars with fuel injected cars, and don't want to give that up.

Haven't most just have picked a place where they can win or dominate, and have no regard for the other guys in those classes, who may also have been racing for ages, but still haven't found their magic combo. This is drag racing.

All this nonsense about the new cars driving out the old iron is just that, it is nonsense! If guys are tired of racing, then by all means, retire. It may be time for some of you to do just that. But if guys care so little about racing, that they will only show up if they have their own personal edge, then the truth is that they probably aren't any more good for the sport, than you claim for the new cars to be.

How many new cars, especially the badly bashed Challengers, will there be in Las Vegas, Three, four, or maybe just two? And guys are going to whine that they will give up racing, or simply not go to that particular race, because of the Challengers, when only a couple of classes may be affected? Or, isn't it really concerns due to the economy, and uncertain personal finances that is keepinga lot of them away? We didn't go to a couple of races for that same reason; money...

Having said all of that, I understand that you don't want to get beat. Neither do I. You want a competitive edge, and we have one. When I bought the car, I didn't even know what class we would run in, because the horsepower wasn't set yet. So don't blame the car owners, because having bought one, and spent a ton of money and a lot of time to become competitive, DP owners have as much right to run these car as anyone else has to run any others ones.

Also I didn't twist the NHRA's arm, and neither did anyone else? They did what they thought was good for the sport. You don't agree with them, and that is fine, but why continue to attack the car owners?

Bashing the cars, the owners, factory programs, and the NHRA with insults and unfounded claims of all kinds hardly seems like a productive approach. But if it makes you feel big, or somehow serves your self-serving sense of fairness, then go ahead.

Will it actually make a change? Probably no more than rational discussions, and factual presentations would have made, but that ship has sailed. But frankly, I think it is counter productive. Do you really think that calling the NHRA names, and assaulting their intention, while attacking their character is the right thing to do? Where is your sense of fairness there? Because those attacks simply aren't fair! And then you expect them to roll over in your direction. Good luck with getting everything you want.

I would welcome separate classes, but the truth is that if we do get them, then we will have to listen to all the whining about us having our own classes, and how it isn't fair for the guys running 40 year old iron, who may want their own class too. Oh well. Apparently there is nowhere we can win except on the track.

See you on the track.

David
The New Hemi Guy

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by NewHemi

How many guys are actually affected by the new cars?

I have misplaced my 2009 end of the year stats, to check total car counts. But, if you add up every Stocker that competes in a class with the DP and CJ cars (AA through H Stock), I would bet big money it is several hundred. And many more when you add in the Super Stock racers. And, yes, people ARE selling and/or parking their cars until NHRA fixes this problem. Two racers, both of whom can easily qualify at Indy and had a good chance of winning Class, told me they stayed home because of this, they ''weren't going to bring a water pistol to a tank fight''. And, until NHRA either 1) fixes the HP issues and/or 2) puts the new cars in their own class(es), there will be more racers joining them on the sidelines.

I've said several times, the new cars are cool. And, if it brings in new cars, drivers, fans, media attention, etc to out sport, it's a great thing. But not at the expense of hundreds of good drivers/cars.

[MikeFicacci]

Trust me, no one would whine if they were to put these factory experimental cars in their own class where they belong.

[davidhuff]

Would you guys please post the stockers that are for sale.Sorry,I just do not see them?

[Andys dad]

My B/SA '70 Camaro which can only run 10.30

This will be back to normal next year

I am not selling mine because of these cars - well not exactly

I want something new - like a V10 Drag Pak

[Mike Carr]

I see nine (9) cars, that can run in the classes affected by the new cars, for sale on the first two pages of classifieds here on Classracer. Whether or not the CJ/DP dillema is the reason, well, only they can answer that.

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by NewHemi

How many guys are actually affected by the new cars?

Truth is, not all that many.

But there is an overwhelming send of fairness expressed here, in spite of the fact that it actually only affects a few, but emotionally expressed by those, who are all for fairness, unless of course, it is they who hold the competitive edge.

And if they all quit, isn't it really because the new cars have taken away a lot of their personal playgrounds when they, some of the guys complaining here about the new cars, who themselves have been beating up on the all the carbureted cars with fuel injected cars, and don't want to give that up.

Haven't most just have picked a place where they can win or dominate, and have no regard for the other guys in those classes, who may also have been racing for ages, but still haven't found their magic combo. This is drag racing.

All this nonsense about the new cars driving out the old iron is just that, it is nonsense! If guys are tired of racing, then by all means, retire. It may be time for some of you to do just that. But if guys care so little about racing, that they will only show up if they have their own personal edge, then the truth is that they probably aren't any more good for the sport, than you claim for the new cars to be.

How many new cars, especially the badly bashed Challengers, will there be in Las Vegas, Three, four, or maybe just two? And guys are going to whine that they will give up racing, or simply not go to that particular race, because of the Challengers, when only a couple of classes may be affected? Or, isn't it really concerns due to the economy, and uncertain personal finances that is keepinga lot of them away? We didn't go to a couple of races for that same reason; money...

Having said all of that, I understand that you don't want to get beat. Neither do I. You want a competitive edge, and we have one. When I bought the car, I didn't even know what class we would run in, because the horsepower wasn't set yet. So don't blame the car owners, because having bought one, and spent a ton of money and a lot of time to become competitive, DP owners have as much right to run these car as anyone else has to run any others ones.

Also I didn't twist the NHRA's arm, and neither did anyone else? They did what they thought was good for the sport. You don't agree with them, and that is fine, but why continue to attack the car owners?

Bashing the cars, the owners, factory programs, and the NHRA with insults and unfounded claims of all kinds hardly seems like a productive approach. But if it makes you feel big, or somehow serves your self-serving sense of fairness, then go ahead.

Will it actually make a change? Probably no more than rational discussions, and factual presentations would have made, but that ship has sailed. But frankly, I think it is counter productive. Do you really think that calling the NHRA names, and assaulting their intention, while attacking their character is the right thing to do? Where is your sense of fairness there? Because those attacks simply aren't fair! And then you expect them to roll over in your direction. Good luck with getting everything you want.

I would welcome separate classes, but the truth is that if we do get them, then we will have to listen to all the whining about us having our own classes, and how it isn't fair for the guys running 40 year old iron, who may want their own class too. Oh well. Apparently there is nowhere we can win except on the track.

See you on the track.

David
The New Hemi Guy

David with all due respect, you don't have a clue. This affects all of us, especially if you race a car that runs from AA through H. For someone who has been racing for less than a year you seem to know a lot. The fact is that these cars don't resemble any previous stock eliminator cars. They are current body styles with motors made up of parts from Ford and Chrysler's high performance parts books and have no relation to what's being sold to the public. NHRA and these two manufacturers have deliberately done this to take advantage of racers who have spent a lot of time and money on their race cars. One of NHRA's missions according to their 2008 Tax return on page 2 is and I quote; "The association establishes rules that govern competition including rules and standards that are designed to enhance safety in the sport as well as promote fair competition."

I would say that allowing these cars into traditional stock classes has had the opposite effect. It has been anti competitive and favors one group of racers over another.