Ford CJ's and Mopar DP's NHRA is now on the case

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by GUMP

You do realize that ALL of the HP ratings are bogus, right? I can't think of one combination in the books that is actually rated at the HP that it is making.

A good stock eliminator motor will make about 1 and 1/2 times it's rated hp. If your motor only makes it's rated hp it probably won't run the index.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

A good stock eliminator motor will make about 1 and 1/2 times it's rated hp. If your motor only makes it's rated hp it probably won't run the index.

My point exactly. The HP numbers in the guide are a factor. They haven't been real HP numbers in a long time.

[Ed Wright]

How about engines that don't make what they are factored hp?
A factory LT1 won't make anywhere near the Stock Eliminator hp factor.

[Nitro Joe Jackson]

Here is something to think about, after doing the stats for this past weekend's events, the new Top Guns have 1 PT Cruzer, 8 Challengers, 1 2010 Mustang
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh boy.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson

Here is something to think about, after doing the stats for this past weekend's events, the new Top Guns have 1 PT Cruzer, 8 Challengers, 1 2010 Mustang
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh boy.

Suprise suprise! LOL

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson

Here is something to think about, after doing the stats for this past weekend's events, the new Top Guns have 1 PT Cruzer, 8 Challengers, 1 2010 Mustang
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh boy.

As well they should be. I mean, they've all been flogged on for 15-20 years. They've probably reached the law of diminishing returns and have squeezed all the ET out of them by now. They'll be lucky to qualify in a couple years!

[Jim Kaekel]

The same Mustang (E/SA) went 10.27 @ 117 MPH first round @ Indy, which is also well below the SS/JA index of 11.00. It appears that he's moved into Super Stock to avoid hits from the AHFS in Stock.

[Andys dad]

Back when I was "famous" (LOL) there were 3 classes in AHRA

GT-1, GT-2 and GT-3 - all were weight per cubic inch

GT-1 was the Hemi's and 427's mostly - 7lbs
GT-2 was enigines around 350 iinches - 9lbs
GT-3 was the small engines around 300 inches - 10 lbs

Only issue would be all had 4bls - the big engine cars did not come that way but no one cared

I still do not see how to distribuite the blown cars against the "normally" aspirated cars (throttle bodies)

Oh well not to worry NHRA is "on it" - right

LOL :-)


peace

[James L Miller]

Originally Posted by GUMP

My point exactly. The HP numbers in the guide are a factor. They haven't been real HP numbers in a long time.

Why should they reflect current power levels? If you keep adding power to every engine combo, pretty soon the top class cars will be made illegal since the weight/power ratio will bump them out of SS/AA and AA/SA, etc. Pretty soon the Hemis, 427 Camaros, Shelby Mustangs, etc. would be bumped out if the HP factor was put in line with current power levels. A SS/AH Hemi is now over 1000HP in a 3000 pound car. I'm sure most of the big block engines would be in the same situation. Would you want a 350 Camaro racing in SS/AA with the big block combos not legal anymore? This would be an extreme case, but shows the potential for class creep.

I always thought that NHRA and IHRA should keep one engine combo at a constant power level and all the rest moved up and down to even the playing field. My choice would have been the Race Hemi's at 500 HP, but the SS/AH cars are now at 507. I think the 500 HP number reflected the power level of a 1964 Race Hemi when it left the factory in 1964. Food for thought and strictly my opinion (which I'm sure doesn't count for anything). Thanks for listening to an old goober.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by James L Miller

Why should they reflect current power levels? If you keep adding power to every engine combo, pretty soon the top class cars will be made illegal since the weight/power ratio will bump them out of SS/AA and AA/SA, etc. Pretty soon the Hemis, 427 Camaros, Shelby Mustangs, etc. would be bumped out if the HP factor was put in line with current power levels. A SS/AH Hemi is now over 1000HP in a 3000 pound car. I'm sure most of the big block engines would be in the same situation. Would you want a 350 Camaro racing in SS/AA with the big block combos not legal anymore? This would be an extreme case, but shows the potential for class creep.

I always thought that NHRA and IHRA should keep one engine combo at a constant power level and all the rest moved up and down to even the playing field. My choice would have been the Race Hemi's at 500 HP, but the SS/AH cars are now at 507. I think the 500 HP number reflected the power level of a 1964 Race Hemi when it left the factory in 1964. Food for thought and strictly my opinion (which I'm sure doesn't count for anything). Thanks for listening to an old goober.

I don't think that they should, but there is a lot of talk on here about how the new cars should be factored that way. My point is that all entries should be treated equally.